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My prayers are with the family, specially the finance of that young man that was involved in the DV call that resulted the officer involved shooting.

 

 What could he have been thinking when he attacked the cop. Look I'm not a big supporter of men in blue, but when I do have to interact with them I show them the respect that goes with the uniform. I saw the brother on Fox and my heart goes out to him for the loss of his brother. But lets be real, what was the cops partner supposed to do the suspect was choking her partner. The cops life was in immediate danger, not just dangerous but within minutes he could be dead. So his partner instead of going balls out to protect him is supposed to use a judgment call on how to save his life? Maybe once the shock has begun to wear off, he should ask the question. Why did his brother feel the need to attack the cop in the first place. The cops obviously that the 9 month pregnant finance was actually in arms way. It's really not the cops fault how he reacted to the authority of the situation. I'm pretty sure, even though I was there that the cop didn't say. "Ok buddy, I'm here to resolve this maybe help in someway before it gets worse so go ahead I've offended you some how so attack me and try to kill me"

 Little advice, when the cops show up at your door. All of  your rights just flew at the window, because cops have way to much power. That's why I show nothing but respect no matter how bad it is. Or as much as I just want to go off on him/her. Because no matter what the out come is, they can end the story anyway they want. All they have to say is "probable cause" and no matter what they do they're justified. They might get their hands slapped a few times for making a bad choice.

I don't know the details of this poor guy that was killed. It was a domestic call, at that point just separate and deal with the cops. Don't give them any reason to lie about your attitude. Because all they have to do is speak those two magical words and the next thing you know you're cuffed, stuffed, and waiting for a judge to set you free. Remember people, you could spend anywhere from 24 hrs to 72 hrs in jail. They already know that, they already know you might even get released in a few hours. That's not why they do it, they do it only because THEY CAN. If you piss them off, they will "show" you.

Unfortunately this gentleman won't be released in 72 hrs. But no matter how much it pisses me off that cops acted like their Gods because of all the power they've been given. They are first and fore most human beings, with families, friends, and yes some of them have feelings.

Lesson for the day:  If you physically attack a cop, specially one with a partner. Expect to get get hurt, because you choke them, they will kill you if need be to save their own.

 

Once again, my prayers do go out to the family of the man, along with the cop and her partner whom she was defending.


 


 

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samo714 read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2007 | 2:16 PM

if your gonna attack a cop, expect to end up with a bullet in your head. it's common sense. don't attack cops. any force against them will give them a reason to shoot you.

Paul_D read my blog
Aug 10, 2007 | 2:44 PM

great essay wrks4me! my concern is not the strength of your argument, it is the cop's use of a firearm as opposed to the use of a baton. cops are performing a service. your argument does not address the cop using deadly force when a belligerant human being is misbehaving when a lesser form of control is appropriate.

DfDeportation read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2007 | 2:59 PM

The "choking the cop" thingis probably NOT a good idea! But, that's just me.

OClee read my blog
Aug 10, 2007 | 6:20 PM

Suicide by cop.

craftyguy read my blog
Aug 10, 2007 | 6:32 PM

simple rules of thumb dont mess with kids the clergy or cops..if you mess with the first two and get caught the guys on the inside will get you make no mistake..if you mess with a cop they will get you even if they have to frame you they will get you .

LATINAWOMAN read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2007 | 6:36 PM

I agree with what you've said . Whatever opinion a person has concerning the police , we must respect them . We have to remember eveything they have to deal with on a daily basis . These days the gangsters are targeting and ambushing the cops ! I am quite sure I would hate to be put in a position like theirs , I'd never make it as a cop . condolences to the families ....

craftyguy read my blog
Aug 10, 2007 | 7:05 PM

the big problem with the police out here is they have no sense of community ..they never get out of their car unless they have to..to them everybody is a nobody without a name..back east where i grew up the police knew your name and your family if you got in trouble as a kid they didn't lock you up if it was for something stupid they took you to your parents and let them handle things if you would hassle a cop they would take you to a bad neighborhood and make you walk back..we respected cops they were part of a community..this place has lost its way parents are afraid to discipline their children..so the state becomes their mother and father..they re grammar school is the youth authority ,their high school is jail and prison becomes their college.with the largest prison population in the united states and still growing we still turn our backs on our youth who is our future ..we cancel after school programs and close libraries while politicians and teachers get raises for doing nothing but babysitting..if we continue in this way their is going to a lot more shootings police related and otherwise..

DfDeportation read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2007 | 9:30 PM

Mess with the clergy? Surely your not referencing Roger Mahony, are you?

wrks4me read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2007 | 9:36 PM

Thank you for the compliment Larry, and to a point I must agree with you I didn't address deadly force. Had the guy just been acting like a typical a**hole and the partner pulled a gun and shot him, I would have gone on and on about it. I'm a firm believer that cops have way to much power. Unfortunately the guy wasn't just acting like your run of the mill a**hole. He was attempting murder, as soon as he wrapped his hands around the cops throat. To me that's deadly force on his part.

Let's just say for argument purposes that she had pulled her baton and started beating this guy. She has no idea if this guy is sober, drunk, on drugs, and if he is what drugs he's on. Have you ever seen someone on PCP going wild. Or some tweaker over flowing with rage because he hasn't slept in 2 weeks.

Choking is not a quick way to kill someone, but can happen within minutes. If I were that cop being choked by some crazed guy, I know I would much rather she go for the immediate solution, instead of hoping she gets him off of me with one blow of the baton.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not unsympathetic to this. It would have been better, if she never even had to pull her gun. Than when she did pull it, maybe she could have just wounded him enough to stop the immediate danger. But bottom line is nobody has the right to put their hands on someone else in anger. I really don't care what the cop may have said or didn't say to set this guy off. He crossed the line as soon as he put his hands on the cop or anyone else for that matter.

As human beings we all have the ability to make our own

wrks4me read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2007 | 9:37 PM

Cont...

As human beings we all have the ability to make our own choices. Will I smoke or not? If my boss yells at me, should I quit or stay? Joe Slick offended me, should I walk away or kick his BLEEP? Everybody needs to take responsibility for the choices they make in any given situation.

wrks4me read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2007 | 10:01 PM

Craftyguy, very well said. I too remember those days. Society as a whole it seems has spent so much time placing blame that they don't know how to solve the problem. I'm not saying that's what you are implying. You actually touched on it when you mentioned parents disciplining their own kids at home. They don't and it's sad, because than when the public authorities do the parents are the first ones to yell foul. "My Stevie would never do that, it had to be those kids he's hanging out with" Claims the mother. So when little Stevie is suspended from school for beating some kid down, it's that same parent that wants the teacher suspended for stepping in pulling them apart and little Stevie fell and twisted his ankle. So now the teachers are on the defensive, they won't do anything for fear of loosing their own jobs. Now little Stevie just joined a gang, and put some kid in the hospital for walking on the wrong side of the street. As he's beating another kid, a cop rolls up. Slams little Stevie to the wall, Stevie breaks free. Turns around cold cocks the cop, and runs. Cop jumps up, chases after him tackling him down. Oh know Little Stevie ended up with a broken arm from the fall. Now the same parent is suing the police for excessive force. Now you have cops on the defensive, and they feel the only people in this world they can trust is their fellow cops. Ok so now we have a separated community, them against us. Unfortunately they have all the power. Now you get some power hungry cops in the picture and now we have "dirty" cops. Now the community is on the defensive, not knowin

wrks4me read my blog view my photos
Aug 10, 2007 | 10:03 PM

... knowing who's good and who's bad.

Bottom line, you hit it right on the nose. Because now Little Stevie has a masters degree in drug dealing behind bars. Generously earned in the college of his choice, The State Pen doing 20 to life for first degree murder.

So who's to blame, the parent for not disciplining, the teachers for not getting more involved, the cops for using excessive force?
Or society for allowing it to happen?

craftyguy read my blog
Aug 11, 2007 | 12:28 AM

its not the cops fault they are doing they re job ..yes its the child's fault first and its the parents fault second..some just cant change whats inside that makes them bad no matter what but everyone can be changed if they want to be ..and no matter where or who you come from you can achieve..we as a society have given up and blame everyone else for our mistakes..its disgusting why do we have to apologize or answer to anyone if we parent our children?these children are screaming for discipline..its up to all us parents to teach right from wrong ..we are not evil for doing it .

dasvics read my blog view my photos
Aug 11, 2007 | 2:40 AM

Fighting with armed officers, is stupid.

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wrks4me read my blog view my photos
Aug 11, 2007 | 3:14 AM

I know how you feel, I'll be the first one to admit that I am a firm believer in discipline. But I'll also be the first one to challenge my 8 yr old to a burping contest. Then bet my oldest one that I could gas him out of the room before he could gas me out, after eating at an all you can eat buffet. If anyone's wondering, he won. But in my defense it did take him over 4 hours before I lost every nose hair I had.

I just think if today's parents took a little more interest in how their kids are growing up, and visualizing what they will be like as adults. As a whole our society would eventually go back to being a community rather than people we tolerate because we have to. I also couldn't agree more with your statement about kids are craving for discipline. The want the structure and foundation that ultimately creates a sense of security. My 8yr old is going into the 3rd grade this year. So far he's been suspended more times in his short little academic career than I was in my entire 12. He's no angel, but he knows he'll be punished when he made bad choices. While also knowing I'll be the first one to defend him when he's falsely accused. If he's suspended for fighting, and he started it he knows his video games just got a free 7 day vacation in the closet. But if he gets suspended for fighting and all he was doing was defending himself, he just got a day off from school. He's taught that violence is not the answer to his problems. That nobody has the right to lay their hands on another person in anger. But if his opponent doesn't see it the same way and uses violence, b

firecom451
Aug 11, 2007 | 6:27 AM

It is amazing how someone can place blame on the LAPD officer who shot the suspect who was attempting to kill her partner. This is why domestic violence calls are one of the most dangerous calls a police officer can ever respond to. Some victims call for help, but when the police respond and do their job, they are hassled and criticized. What did the wife want to have happen, an officer possibly 2 officers dead in her living room with her husband left to attack her? I feel for the LAPD and law enforcement in general because you are damned if you and damned if you don't. The only person to blame for this death is the suspect himself. This degenerate's life was not worth the loss of his wife's life or the loss of the two officers' lives. To the suspect's wife, you knew you were in danger, and you did the right thing by calling for help. But don't blame the 2 people who responded to your cry for help. Your late husband made a choice to threaten a person's life, and he justifiedly paid the ultimate price for it.

nosy4 read my blog view my photos
Aug 11, 2007 | 10:20 AM

We hate them till we need em, Only GOD knows what would happen if we didnt have them,my prayers go out to the family as well as the offcr, she will never be the same and neither will the family.DID YOU KNOW IT IS A FELONY TO EVEN TOUCH APOLICE OFFCR. IN UNIFORM.

aveclocal
Aug 12, 2007 | 1:20 AM

One of my buddies went on a D/V call and the woman who just got beat jumped on my friends back when they tried to take her man in. Some of u out otta go on a ride along to find out what kinda crap cops deal with every day. People if u are getting into that much police contact ,before u blame the cops you should look into the mirror.

Casanova read my blog view my photos
Aug 12, 2007 | 7:08 AM

They have an itchy finger trigger, all those trainings they been doin, they are hungry to use it on someone. One false move againts an officer, is a suicide.

I punch a correctional officer once, thank God I only been shot twice with a rubber bullet, then got slammed and dragged around like ragged doll. Also serve an additional months and ten days on isolation, five days on the brick.

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I recently lost my older brother Steve to lung cancer. My father told him when he was a child to take care of his little sister. And he never stopped, we couldn't have been closer had we been twins. He would have been 49 this month. My outlook on life now more than ever is, life is way to short don't sweat the small stuff. Laugh your way through life. If you don't feel you have anything to laugh about, pray to your God to provide you with something to laugh about. But more importantly have faith that he will provide you with all your needs. R.I.P. Steve, I love you! March 20, 1958 - Feb 22, 2007

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