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"American auto makers" are looking to the U.S government to bail them out with an infusion of taxpayer money.  Yet they continue to outsource American jobs to Mexico and elsewhere.

Should the American taxpayer be expected to foot the entire bill for their bail-out, or should the other countries that are receiving the jobs be expected to pay their fair share?

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PegasusWing read my blog view my photos
Oct 28, 2008 | 3:33 PM

I still feel that the auto makers were getting kick backs from oil companies to keep cars fuel inefficient.
I feel that all imports (food, cars, junk) should be heavily taxed.
That would support US jobs and keep America prosperous.
If we don't have it, you don't need it.
Only US companies, in US, employing US need any tax breaks!
We already bail out auto makers to the tune of 4 billion a year. Enough already!
We need to close our doors and get it together.
America for Americans.
Nobody would bail me out if I ran a business into the ground.
Maybe only the strong should survive.
Look at the little banks and credit unions who never got greedy and never got in trouble.
Instead we subsidize to keep the big dumb pigs alive.
Not good sense.
If we never bailed out the big failures, the incompetents would have been unemployed instead of paying themselves multimillions in bonuses, their reward for incompetence.
The empty houses would have been for sale cheap enough for people to buy them.
We were suckered into that one, we do not need to be suckered into any more bail outs.

shadows read my blog
Oct 28, 2008 | 4:32 PM

Great points, but some would argue that it seems like severe nationalism.

Abunai read my blog view my photos
Oct 28, 2008 | 5:44 PM

Hmmm.. so let me get this straight:

An industry that is strictly a Union Labor Force was already going under... bailed out once already. Matter of fact ALL the "big business" guys are union based, and while he beat down the profits made, at the same time the Democrats are wanting to strip away private voting rights?

Other than WalMart that has proven what capitalism can do WITHOUT unions, the liberals STILL can't get it.

Overseas employment and production is because of the second higherst tax rate in the world!! Japan who's economy is worse is actually the highest! But liberals REFUSE to be honest about it. Just as they were with Fannie/Freddie!

northton read my blog view my photos
Oct 28, 2008 | 9:09 PM

It's always someone else's fault isn't it, Abunai?

BornToBeWild read my blog view my photos
Oct 29, 2008 | 12:43 AM

What I would like to know is with all this money of ours that is going to all these bailouts to the bigger companies...what about the smaller businesses??? WHERE'S MY BAILOUT FUNDING!!! I'm a Small American Business Owner and I'm sure not the only one!!!

All these bigger businesses got greedy and expanded with over stock products...and I guess that's our fault!

All these banks expanded with loans they couldn't control or afford...and I guess that's our fault!

The government keeps borrowing money and freely spending ours as our country gets further and further into debt...I guess that's our fault!

If it’s our money then why is it that we don't get a say so with the way it is spent??? But let us NOT pay our taxes...so who has all the real control??? Our rights and constitution has been jeopardized and breeched...I guess that's our fault!

shadows read my blog
Oct 29, 2008 | 7:56 AM

Abunai, this post isn't about Unionism or why the auto industry is in trouble. Now, settle down and go back and read it carefully.....sloooowly. Now, think about it for awhile......and then if you want, try to write something that relates to it and is a coherent statement.

Remember what I have told you about frustration and anger.......but, don't be too disappointed in yourself...just keep trying.....you are making progress.

sipedo read my blog view my photos
Oct 29, 2008 | 11:40 AM

Chrysler was the only automaker to ever be bailed out with loans of 4 billion dollars in the early 1980's. They paid back those loans in record time under the leadership of Lee Iacocca.

My answer is yes. We should offer loans, not bailouts to the 3 major US Automakers. If we can offer loans to companies like AIG, which is not an American company, then all the more reason to help large employers like GM, Ford and Chrysler. It would be a double standard not to. But these are loans I am talking about, not FREE money, like some of the the Banks are getting.

Abunai, Walmart is not a good example of how things WORK without Unions. Walmart is an example of cut-throat business and employment practices that are both immoral and unethical. BAD EXAMPLE. I usually agree with you, but on that point I do not, at all.

shadows read my blog
Oct 29, 2008 | 12:32 PM

sipedo, should Mexico and the other countries where the jobs have been sent to, be expected to loan money proportionately?

It's interesting that you mentioned the "double standard." It brings up the issue of businesses expecting help from the government and taxpayers, but don't want to pay taxes themselves.

Captain_Jim read my blog view my photos
Oct 29, 2008 | 6:19 PM

Heck, just give me a $5,000 credit toward a vehicle and a 0% interest loan and I like millions of others will start buying cars again. As it stands right now the cars are over priced, and nobody wants to give out a loan.

shadows read my blog
Oct 29, 2008 | 7:23 PM

Captain_Jim, you bring up a good point about competitiveness. Years ago I remember when Toyota and the other foreign car makers were relatively unknown. Honda was known for motorcycles rather than cars.

People got so disgusted with the American car dealers providing poor service and ripping people off that they began to buy Toyotas. the Toyotas lasted longer and the dealers were hungry for the business, so they provided better service and the prices were less expensive than were the American automobiles.

I was in Detroit when the dealers refused to stay open evenings and weekends for people to purchase cars and get their cars serviced. They didn't seem to care if they got any business or not. Unfortunately, the reliability of the cars and the service is still very poor compared to the Japanese auto makers.....even though many of the Japanese autos are produced by Americans.

usaf35man view my photos
Oct 29, 2008 | 9:35 PM

they should save up there money and quit bailing out companies and send us checks, then we could all spend money

shadows read my blog
Oct 30, 2008 | 9:21 AM

usaf35man, Didn't Pelosi recently suggest another stimulus package that would have sent some checks back to the taxpayers? The Republicans were real quick to condemn her for her suggestion even though a review of the matter by several independent economists agreed that it might do some good. People seem to love to attack Pelosi.

Vlad read my blog
Oct 30, 2008 | 4:37 PM

Any companies sending jobs to other countries should be bailed out by those countries, Not by the American tax Payer.

When it is stated> bailed out by the "US Government" it means middle and lower class American tax Payers.

No.......

shadows read my blog
Oct 30, 2008 | 6:12 PM

Vlad, instead of providing low interest loans for homeowners who are losing their homes, we are providing low interest loans to corporate America.

sipedo read my blog view my photos
Oct 30, 2008 | 9:38 PM

Should Mexico help out? Absolutely. Will they? Probably not.

I was against the whole bailout plan and still am.

Business that make bad decision, for the most part should go out of business.

I reject your idea that the Japanese automakers make a better product. All automakers have made bad products at one time or another.

I will also ad this, whenever a US automaker finds a problem, they follow through with the directive to have a recall. Toyota, Nissan, and especially Honda are KNOWN for hiding their defects and fighting any recall attempts.

Now most automobiles around the world are made with parts from all over the world.

Obama is a bastard. Did I just say that?

shadows read my blog
Oct 31, 2008 | 8:17 AM

American reliability ratings for automobiles in most categories such as SUVs, small cars, etc. continue to be higher than those of American cars. As I previously stated, those Japanese cars are sometimes made in the U.S. by Americans. American workers seem to be doing their jobs assembling the cars.

As the papers point out, the lines for bail-outs are getting longer and longer. The economy is not at its worst point yet.

As far as your comment about Obama......tasteless.

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