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According to "USA Today Snapshots," the demand for yachts 80 feet or longer  hit a new high this year.

Obviously the "rich are getting richer." 

So does this mean that the money will "trickle down" and that the general population will also be enjoying good economic times in the near future?

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Abunai read my blog view my photos
Oct 15, 2008 | 10:39 AM

LOL! No.. It might mean that illegals now don't like this country anymore and need them to go back to their mother country!

But that will stop just as soon as that Yacht maker who AFTER paying for employees, equipment, healthcare, etc. gets taxed by Obama on his GROSS income instead of his Net!

Then illegals will be back to strapping innertubes to empty drums, and a makeshit paddle, as the small business man has to let them go.

CynPro read my blog view my photos
Oct 15, 2008 | 11:42 AM

"So does this mean that the money will "trickle down" and that the general population will also be enjoying good economic times in the near future?"

*HaHaHaHaHa* That's too funny! You're a riot. :)
Of course not!!! It's staying in their pockets.

shadows read my blog
Oct 15, 2008 | 1:58 PM

Abunai, the big "yachts" have already been ordered and Obama hasn't been elected yet. Perhaps it is just a case of wishful thinking on your part........are you wearing your Obama/Biden button?

Your point about the "illegals" previously making so much money that they can afford a yacht to return to Mexico is well taken. Perhaps they also see it ending if McCain is defeated.

Abunai read my blog view my photos
Oct 15, 2008 | 4:04 PM

Oh.. well I thought that illegals could afford yachts... they certainly qualify for home loans... so much so that Fannie/Freddie even insured them! Since they now for the most part have actually abandoned the homes that they qualified for, and not paying a mortgage, I thought they certainly could afford a boat then....

As to CynPro and the "trickle down" The dirty secret dear... money does not trickle down to people that don't earn it. Now that building of boats requires materials,and requires those materials to be prepared, and assembled. THAT of course is what we call a healthy economy. when your business can afford to hire others to do those jobs. BUT! Since Obama plans on taxing that small business on his GROSS income, of 250K or more, BEFORE he pays his employees, BEFORE he pays their healthcare and FICA taxes. The economy will just evaporate as the jobs do.

shadows read my blog
Oct 15, 2008 | 7:21 PM

Abunai, CynPro was quoting me with the use of the words "trickle down."

BTW, your statement: "The economy will just evaporate as the jobs do." shows that you have a sense of humor!!

In case you haven't recently read the papers or watched the TV, our economy is in the tank and getting worse with the rising unemployment and Obama isn't the President. I keep telling you that you need to get out more!

The only strength that the McCain campaign presently has is the fact that Palin is so familiar with Russia. LOL

Meb452m read my blog
Oct 15, 2008 | 9:20 PM

Those yachts use a varity of high-dollar material and talent during construction,operation and maintainence. There is still demand for skilled tradesmen and mechanics and will be. One of the first questions I like to ask of a complainer of the economy is : What profession do you occupy ? Most discussion ends there !

shadows read my blog
Oct 16, 2008 | 8:08 AM

Meb452m, as you are probably aware, there is a tendency by businesses in this country to employ skilled tradesmen and buy materials abroad if they are less expensive. There has also been a trend for some time now, to eliminate education/training programs for the trades and to import less expensive skilled trades people from other countries. I know people in the trades who are still experiencing periods of unemployment.

BTW, you seem to be suggesting that anyone that cites facts that are not necessarily "positive" about the economic conditions in our country is a complainer. Not necessarily so, there are actually people who still care about facts instead of talking points.

And not everyone has to be personally affected by negative conditions in order to want to improve them for others.

Nightmare read my blog view my photos
Oct 16, 2008 | 11:42 AM

...How is this good news?!

shadows read my blog
Oct 16, 2008 | 5:37 PM

Nightmare, "IF" the very wealthy people are doing well enough to order yachts over 80 feet in record numbers, it certainly seems feasible that they are all doing quite well. IF you subscribe to "trickle down" economic theory, it should then follow that the money should trickle down to the less wealthy individuals in our society.

Personally I don't subscribe to the "trickle down" theory, however there is certainly a large group of people who do, including McCain and Palin. And I respect opposing opinions being expressed with civility. Off-shore out-sourcing dates the theory as far as its applicability in the nationalistic sense.

Meb452m read my blog
Oct 16, 2008 | 6:19 PM

Talking points again, you love that line Shadows. What materials, systems and components are yachts compossed of Shadows ? That is you're choice of example. If you can't answer any of those questions then you're the only one with pointless talk.

shadows read my blog
Oct 16, 2008 | 7:55 PM

Meb452m, you seemed to skip right past the comment about skilled trades, etc. that you mentioned earlier. Why is that? Didn't my answer suit your purposes?

Now you ask "what materials, systems and components are yachts composed of..."?

In your own words "Those yachts use a varity of high-dollar material and talent during construction,operation and maintainence." Sounds good to me!!

However, I don't quite understand why you ask me a question after you had already stated the answer which I did not disagree with.

Perhaps you are experiencing a bit of frustration which exhibits or manifests itself in confusion. I hope that tomorrow is a better day for you.

Meb452m read my blog
Oct 16, 2008 | 7:58 PM

Naw no frustration shadows,just curious to see if you have any "real " knowledge.

shadows read my blog
Oct 17, 2008 | 8:05 AM

Meb452, you probably wouldn't recognize it if you saw it.

Meb452m read my blog
Oct 17, 2008 | 6:56 PM

Heh,heh,heh! Try me, unless you're knowledge contains no "real " depth. Then I can understand the evasiveness. shadows maybe " shallow " would suit you better ?

shadows read my blog
Oct 18, 2008 | 8:37 AM

Meb452m, when all else fails you resort to name calling. I guess that that it is in keeping with the highest traditions of the Republican Party.

I used to also refer to Republicans as Conservatives, but GW has changed all of that and McCain epitomizes the Republicans' fall from grace. The primary differences that I have between a Republican and a Conservative, is that the Conservative might well be an educated, thinking person who is capable of more than parroting talking points or name calling.

BTW, you never did address my comments about the skilled trades. Did you forget again? Or perhaps not comprehend what I wrote? It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.....enjoy.

Meb452m read my blog
Oct 18, 2008 | 7:01 PM

shadows, yet you continue with BASELESS allegations " you resort to name calling " are you referring to yourself ? I do see another unanswered question. First since the topic, in you're own words is yachts, are your (skilled ?) friends unemployed in that trade ? It's kinda funny , all of the skilled mechanics that I knew in : executive,corporate and Head of State aircraft that stayed in Orlando have solid employment records that are over twenty years old, despite the fact that the only large aircraft outtfitter went under in I believe '94. I mention aircraft because of the similarities in materials,fit and HIGH degree of skill. Besides they are the same people that own the yachts. Cheaper skilled labor was not imported. Do you have a single fact on cheap imported skilled labor, I'm really intrested because cheap,imported and skilled are not used in the same sentence in the trades.

Meb452m read my blog
Oct 18, 2008 | 7:03 PM

Take you're time, if you're watching Mr.Rodgers I can understand!

Meb452m read my blog
Oct 18, 2008 | 7:41 PM

It would take me a while but I can probably get a good reference from the flight engineer for the Sultan of Oman !

shadows read my blog
Oct 18, 2008 | 7:48 PM

Meb452, boats are different from airplanes. Boats, yachts usually don't have wheels.....

Here is a link if you want to read about visas for foreign workers. It is a bit dated but it is brief without any big words to confuse you.

http://tntalk.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/gates-demands-mo
re-foreign-workers-in-usa/

Here's another link for data on the skilled trades in ship yards.

http://www.stormingmedia.us/71/7112/A711254.html

However note that I was referring to the general population benefiting from the trickle down of the monies that have obviously benefited the very wealthy. Why is unemployment so high?

shadows read my blog
Oct 18, 2008 | 7:53 PM

Here is the statement from my original post, since your memory obviously has again failed you.

"So does this mean that the money will "trickle down" and that the general population will also be enjoying good economic times in the near future? "

Note the words "general population." In other words if the very wealthy are making a lot of money, why are there so many unemployed people in the general population. Hasn't it trickled down yet?

BTW, why should I be watching Mr. Rogers when I can sit here and be entertained by you and Abunai. Are you two related or do you share the same therapist....because you seem to say a lot of the same things

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