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by mr_wildflower from Jefferson County

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Will all that money stay in the U.S......??

big_1039587.jpg Bailout image by poealyce 

I really have no problem with the bailout..... My problem is that a lot of these companies with their hands out have moved a lot of their operations overseas or Canada and Mexico....... Half the time when you call customer service you are talking to someone in India...... Chrysler closed the minivan plant here and moved all the minivans to Canada.... Shouldn't Canada kick in and help with the bailout...... My only point  is that if a company wants the U S to help them in a financial struggle, then shouldn't it be stipulated that employment of these companies remain in America.....

Don't we send enough  money overseas already?

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mr_wildflower read my blog view my photos
Nov 17, 2008 | 10:11 AM

The irony of this is that if industry would have remained in America then the economy would have been much stronger and most of these cmpanies would not be struggling.... No jobs, no money, no consumers.......

harp read my blog view my photos
Nov 17, 2008 | 11:01 AM

i agree with mr.wild and if the companys stayed in America,people would still be working and paying for there homes and we never would of needed to even have a bailout..

b8kedbeans read my blog
Nov 17, 2008 | 11:06 AM

harp some of these people are losing their homes because they got into a house they could not afford even if they are working.

rosie read my blog view my photos
Nov 17, 2008 | 11:16 AM

AGREE... THAT MAKES ME MAD

and if the car industry would make cars that last like the forign cars, people would buy more america

they are sucking money from the consumers, the sooner the car is wore out the sooner the people will buy another, dont tell me this isent their stratogy... im not buy an new car, for it to appriciate to almost nothing in 3 year cant believe they will give out money to let them screw us over

b8kedbeans read my blog
Nov 17, 2008 | 11:47 AM

yep i just bought a 1995 geo metro with 87000 original miles. i have never bought a new car and probebly never will.

AnswerMan read my blog
Nov 17, 2008 | 12:24 PM

If the government is going to be handing out money they should seriously look at what those company executives are making.

I agree with Mr_Wild about bailing out the rich. These companies are mainly greedy and would have had money if they didn't pay such large bonuses.

I don't mind the big 3 being bailed out I just want to see the executives making 50% less money with no bonuses.

Someone on here keeps saying to cut the fat and I totally agree. It's not the lower paid employees hurting the system, it's the overpaid executives.

grtdaner2002
Nov 17, 2008 | 6:20 PM

With the money used for the bailout so far, they could have given every person 32,000!

Student loans, mortgages, credit card bills...we would all be responsible for stimulating the economy!!!

Government needs to trust "we the people"!!!
and stop the bailout........cut the checks our way!!!!

Speedy62269 read my blog
Nov 17, 2008 | 6:59 PM

I don't think $32K is enough money, that only pays 21,875,000 people to make the $700 billion. If that were the total amount of families or individuals that are not "upper" class then I agree...sort of...

That would be a nice stimulus check but $32K wouldn't even motivate me to go spend money. I'll need a lot more to cause me to go out shopping. That would be one heck of an entertainment system though!

FREEDOMFREE read my blog view my photos
Nov 17, 2008 | 9:45 PM

BAIL OUT??

mr_wildflower read my blog view my photos
Nov 17, 2008 | 10:23 PM

32 K would be great...... But then again a lot of it would end up leaving the country via walmart and illegal drugs....... Not to mention........

This In-Bev is for you.........lol

littlebow2000 read my blog view my photos
Nov 17, 2008 | 10:26 PM

In the short term, this influx of money by our government into the investment and banking industry is only a stop gap measure. We also have to consider the Auto industry in this mix, since the major 3 auto makers also have lending programs that gave out loans to people. These bad auto loans were just as bad as the home market deals, only with cars and not houses.
A bailout is bad enough for the investment and banking industry. But, you must remember that it was a planned deal that got them were they are today.
To off set profits you buy up debt and then show a loss on your tax reports, in order not to have to pay Capital Gains on profits. Then sell off the debt to another company so they can do the same thing. This debt to profit ratio and not reporting honest profit or gains to the government is legal but has now cost the American public Trillions.
The long and shot of it is just this, we the American public are stuck holding the empty bag. While many in the investment and banking industry got away with millions.

dannbetty read my blog view my photos
Nov 17, 2008 | 10:30 PM

They will all keep an office here in the US, so they can file Chapter 11

littlebow2000 read my blog view my photos
Nov 17, 2008 | 10:42 PM

In the next few months we will see profit taking by many in the investment and banking industry. This will be due to their keeping of most of the monies give them by the government. True, no bonuses will be payed out to corporate leaders. But, profits will be taken on the investments of the companies they belong too. It's just a way around bonus giving to corporate leaders.

That being said, we must not continue to blame anyone. What is done is done.

We now have to look at the future and programs that will correct this mess.

There are several places where we can begin. One is investing in Green programs (Wind, Solar, Bio-fuels) that create jobs. We also have to look at reinventing our national transportation systems. (light rail, meg-lev, and fuel efficient autos and trucks)

SikUvTheRite read my blog
Nov 18, 2008 | 12:42 PM

I agree 100%, Mr. Wild. I also agree with littlebow's predictions of the coming profit taking by the very souls who are now on their knees begging we taxpayers to "bail them out".

The only thing I disagree with is the large caption in your blog.

It really should read...

Giving Money to the Poor is Called Welfare.

Giving Money to the Rich is called "Huge Republican Tax Breaks" but Should Still Be Called Welfare!

I mean, let's call this bailout, and the last eight years of Republican tax breaks and tax incentives for big business, what they really are and have been: welfare.

littlebow2000 read my blog view my photos
Nov 18, 2008 | 1:59 PM

Sik, It is not about Tax breaks or Bailouts for anyone.

This monitary system is broke. The Banks are saying they need money, but in turn when they get it, they are buying up other banking companies.

Citi Group wants to buy up some India banking companies at this time with our money we gave them.
Wells Fargo has already bought up a major investment firm in St Louis.

This greed and using our tax dollars to buy up other banking companies or investment firms is wrong. It was meant to give security to a failing mortgage system. Not give oppertunity to major banks to buy up other banking and investment companies.

In turn the auto industry should give a clear presentaion to the government as to there committment about changing the way they build cars. No more gas guzzlers, but fuel efficient cars and trucks. Until that is done in writing by the big 3 auto companies we should not give them any money at all.

CBNSTL read my blog
Nov 18, 2008 | 2:34 PM

why did chrysler choose canada over the fenton plant. because usa unions are hurting the industry. its not just those at the top at fault. union workers need to decide if they want a regular paycheck or an unemployment check. job or no job.

mr_wildflower read my blog view my photos
Nov 18, 2008 | 2:55 PM

No I totally disagree...... I think it was the fact that Lasorda who is from Canada was the decision maker....... When the Germans owned Chrysler they milked it for everything and dumped it leaving it with mostly Canadian management..... Chrysler was strong until the Germans owned it...
Also the canadians are union and make as much money an the the Americans and actually have better benefits.....

mr_wildflower read my blog view my photos
Nov 18, 2008 | 3:05 PM

Another factor in that decision is the fact that the South assembly plant here in Fenton is very automated and can be retooled easily to build several different vehicles including the Hybrids...... It is a vicious cycle for I have endured time on the street several times over my 31 years out there.... The plane will idle for a year or two...... Then the state will offer incentives to reopen it including training money and tax breaks and it will launch several new products and call back whoever is left and hire 5 or 6 hundred new hires and life will be good for a while until the next slow down......

Motoko
Nov 19, 2008 | 9:05 AM

in america they steal from the poor and give to the rich, I sat the compony should be all american for support.

littlebow2000 read my blog view my photos
Nov 19, 2008 | 7:16 PM

wildflower, I have a question for you.

If Chrysler goes under, would you and other former workers of Chrysler be willing to put up part of your Retirement funds, along with private investors along with state and federal funding to buy the Fenton Plant and reopen it to make hybrid cars under a new car manufacturing name?

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mr_wildflower

54, retired From Chrysler. Substitute school teacher, sell Real Estate and also D J and host Karaoke shows. Love to work out and play volleyball. Back surgery in 95 was a major setback, but have recently regained my competitive bowling skills. I see things in a third dimension.

Member Since: 12/20/2006