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here it goes.  I am an HR Manager during the day and see hundreds of resumes come across my desk.  The one thing I have been seeing a lot of lately is individuals who have enrolled to these online schools to get their undergraduate degrees or graduate degrees.    In speaking with other HR Managers it appears that many agree that these online programs are not viewed to highly by HR or Hiring Managers.  Here are a few reasons why:

1.  How difficult is it to take one of these?  I admit I took one in college ( a telecourse) (I went to a university in person) and vowed I would never again take another, why?  I did not learn a darn thing, I learned how to look up answers and write papers from notes I transcribed.  In my opinion a telecourse and online course are one in the same, no interaction what so ever.  In a classroom you interact with the professor and other students.

2.  Are we that lazy?  I love that these schools sell you that you can do this whenever,   Nothing was gotten the easy way, it takes work to get something, not sitting on your butt in front of a computer and copying stuff down. 

What are you thoughts?

 

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kadas read my blog
Jul 22, 2008 | 2:16 PM

I don't think in all cases it is laziness. If the thing stopping me from continueing education was I could not make it to the school, I would consider if I felt I could get a credible degree doing an online course.

What comes to mind, the single parents who can not afford a sitter or doesn't want their child with a sitter while they work and while they go to school. The person working two jobs to make ends meet and wants to be able to only work one job but needs the education. Someone who does not own a car and public transportation is not available.

I see these as valid reason for online education verses actually going to the school.

b8kedbeans read my blog
Jul 22, 2008 | 2:19 PM

my reasoning is time at work and at home. i made a joke last week about bringing in a recliner and a tv to work because it is like my second home to me.

jayjewel read my blog
Jul 22, 2008 | 2:55 PM

I have taken numerous online courses for my undergrade degree. Telecourses consist of looking up info and filling out the test. Online classes, most of the ones that I have taken, require a lot more. I actually took a biology course online and learned TONS of info. We did interactive biology experiments online using some kind of technology online. I did have to pay extra to take this class. Many online classes also require daily discussions. IT is basically like a message board. You have to discuss certain situations and whatever subject you have. Most of my online classes require you to come to the school to take the tests. I have learned a lot from many of my online classes especially history and english. Online classes require a lot of communication between instructor and student. I don't think that you should dismiss people that take there courses online. I am however enrolled in a respectable institution. I am not sure about some of those online schools.

jayjewel read my blog
Jul 22, 2008 | 2:56 PM

A lot of people also think that online courses are easy. I have had some fairly easy courses but I have also have some very difficult courses.

julybabe read my blog view my photos
Jul 22, 2008 | 3:15 PM

I disagree that they are not creditable> I work a 40 hr + week and manage a family and home. I would like to get a degree and am considering doing this online. Getting to a school would be vertuily(sp) impossible for me.

jayjewel read my blog
Jul 22, 2008 | 3:27 PM

julybabe. I am a stay at home mom and I highly encourage you to take online classes. They have gotten me so far. I was able to do more than half my classes at home and the other half I have taken as night classes. There are many that only meet once a week for a few hours. I only have two more semesters left and then I will be finished with my degree.

Sparkleplenty read my blog
Jul 22, 2008 | 9:00 PM

I think that you really can learn a lot from the classes, (books and tests) but I agree that the interaction with other people is valuable. You may learn a lot of information, but like you said, it often isn't valued by the work world.

It depends on what you are studying I would think. Some subjects may be easier to teach online. Others not at all.

Sparkleplenty read my blog
Jul 22, 2008 | 9:02 PM

Some may also have homework assignments in the real world, interacting with others, but if not, maybe you can create some.

Thanks.

Exerciser999 read my blog
Jul 22, 2008 | 10:43 PM

You ask..."what are you thoughts"? did someone get their education online?

IneedUrHelp read my blog
Jul 23, 2008 | 12:06 PM

I think on line is what you make of it. If you really want to learn something and have no opportunity to go somewhere to be class taught, an on line course may be your only way. I have respect for those who actually commit to learning anything regardless of how they received the education. On line may even take more discipline, I know successfully working from home takes more discipline than going to an office every day.

Ok, now a quest for you – if your suspended from your job while an investigation is going on and your boss is going around and telling all the other workers you’ve been fired, is he breaking any laws? And when the place does fire you, can the co tell everyone and anyone why they fired you? Not that it’ll matter much since the boss has already ran his mouth about that too. Just wondering cause my son’s friend is in this position right now and I think he should call the companies HR dept and let them know and find out if he is considered fired.

mincooper read my blog
Jul 23, 2008 | 3:13 PM

There are some valid points here. I had always wanted to put a blog about this up but had not had the time or had forgotten that I wanted to blog about it when I started a blog. In talking with other hiring professionals, there does tend to be an air of "online schools are not really credible even if they are credible". Being in HR for close to 7 years now, I was shocked to still hear this and thought I would throw it out there, since the "air" about online schools has not really changed as I thought it might.

mincooper read my blog
Jul 23, 2008 | 3:23 PM

InNEEDUrHelp wrote: Ok, now a quest for you – if your suspended from your job while an investigation is going on and your boss is going around and telling all the other workers you’ve been fired, is he breaking any laws?

This would fall into the defamation area or slander due to you are not technically off the books due to an investigation is pending. What would need to occur is having documentation whether it be other workers who have heard this person stating this and them willing to write and sign off that this was being said. This would be helpful if you choose to sue. Once the investigation is over they should let the person know if they are still employed or not. Some companies have it written in their HR Manuals or employee handbooks the process and how long it will take for an investigation to take.

And when the place does fire you, can the co tell everyone and anyone why they fired you?

NO-Everywhere I have worked why someone is fired is not discussed outside of HR. The employee's direct supervisor would know why the person was fired, but is not suppose to disucss that with anyone except the people involved ie HR and any other chain of management involved. When people call for references they are only suppose to give out Dates and Title and if you have signed off stating you approve then salary information can be given out. If you are a state or government employee your HR manual may advise that this information may be given out without your permission due to you are a public sector employee and that information is public knowledge. However, why

IneedUrHelp read my blog
Jul 23, 2008 | 5:46 PM

Thanks Mincooper - thats exactly what I thought. This kids boss is a real piece. He would sit outside the bathroom whenever the kid would go (we think he was timing him and trying to catch him smoking in the stall- couldnt figure out any other reason he would do it). He told him he had to be at work 6 straight hours before he could take lunch and if he took a break, he could not leave the building. This jerk has left the back door and safe unlock several times overnight, but wrote this kid up for not having all the labels on the shelves facing out properly. He has yelled at him in front of other workers and belittled him in front of customers. I told him to find another job a while ago but he really wanted to stay (hes a little slow and not all that confident in his abilities). I told him to document anything this guy did that he felt was not right and and he has, but I dont think it will do much at this point. Im going to advise him to send a copy of it to HR anyway and ask for suspension reason and time frame of it in writing. I really think this boss should have to do some explaining.

Cheetah read my blog
Jul 23, 2008 | 9:18 PM

I loathe these online degree mills! They're true "BS" degrees. Question: Say you had a choice between a surgeon or CPA or attorney or airline pilot who acquired their degrees from a university or online degree program. Which would you choose -- who would you trust your health and wealth to? We all know the answer! You'd want the most qualified person available -- and the foundation of qualification is rooted in a quality education -- and quality learning occurs in person, in a structured setting where the student is not the one in control. Sitting at your computer in your mom's robe doesn't yield the same learning experience as sitting in a classroom or lab setting, working and learning under pressure.

That idiot "Dr." John Gray -- the NY Times best-selling book author [Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus] -- "earned" [I mean bought] ALL 3 OF HIS "DEGREES" ONLINE -- yep, that's right, his BS and MS and PhD are all from an online "university." Yet the average consumer thinks of him as some Havard genius, only because he has a the PhD accronym behind his name. But does that mean he is a PhD on equal footing with other PhDs? Hell no! But the general public doesn't know any better.

But I don't think it's a matter of being lazy, sure for some people it sure is -- but the issue is a green issue -- it's about making money and more money, these online programs reel it in. I guess it's true: there is indeed a sucker born every minute! They are the only ones who would actually think these are worth the money and their time.

People are always after the quick fix and wh

FIGMAN read my blog view my photos
Jul 24, 2008 | 1:53 AM

I took an on line course through University of Phoenix and it was not easy for me. It was very time consuming and I reviewed the course with a retired professor and she thought it was as real as an on line course could be. It was very expensive in my opinion and I am not sure it was worth my time and money based on what I do for a living.

I was always the older one enrolled in class at the time and I was 47 years old. Almost everyone else in class were people in their early to late 20's who for one reason or another were trying to finish up a degree already started. I found myself being a mentor and gave a lot of business advice as I was enrolled in a business degree.

I work very full days running my own businesses and with family and community obligations the on line degree was a good option for me because of time. I would also have to drive over 60 miles one way to go to college otherwise. Its not for everyone but I think in today's world it has its place.

dwheeler6201 read my blog view my photos
Jul 24, 2008 | 5:02 AM

My daughter also took classes from the University of Phoenix, believe me they were not easy - she completed two years of a 4 year degree in accounting. She finished at Columbia College in Columbia Mo with a major in accounting. All credits from University of Phoenix transferred. These classes do not even compare with the telecourses.

jayjewel read my blog
Jul 24, 2008 | 3:42 PM

To Cheetah

First, I have not yet received my 4 year degree yet. I have two more semesters. I have taken many online classes through RESPECTABLE institutions. I hope that you do not think that the time and effort that I have put into my classes is not legitimate. I think I have worked harder than the people that have gone to class. I do however agree that you can learn a lot in the classroom setting. Being that I am going for elementary education, almost all of my edu courses have been in person which I know that I have taken a great deal of information and experience. However, online courses are also good and they demand a lot out of a person. The classes that I actually go to in person are not nearly as time consuming as my online courses. I would question the credibility of some of these online degrees, but you should not assume everyone that has taken part of their degree online is BS.

liberty_u
Jul 25, 2008 | 1:58 AM

I am currently a Junior enrolled in a Distance Learning Program (online school) at Liberty University in Lynchberg, VA. I live here in Saint Louis. I am almost finished with my Bachelor's degree in Psychology. I have to admit that some of these classes are hard. You have to think in order to really get it without "constant" class participation. We have discussion boards that you have to post assignments and interact with classmates weekly for credit. I receive financial aid from www.fafsa.ed.gov the same as any student actually attending classes in their hometown.

I agree with many people who have posted how it is hard for certain people to work, raise children, and attend classes on a daily basis. I have two jobs and two children as a single mom. These classes have been great for me and have learned and understand more than I knew before. I will admit that I am scared when it is time for the internship or to find employment with my degree that many employers, such as yourself, will not take my degree seriously. I do! When all is said and done, the University is accredited and I will have to pay back over $40,000 in student loans to the Federal Government for the education I received. There are colleges here in Saint Louis that have online courses also; combined with on campus classes and online classes or classes strickly online! So what is the difference?

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