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I guess when you reach a certain age you have seen, heard and lived alot of things. From radio as your source of news and everything to the MP3 players and flat screen T.V. but the one thing you never get caught up on is equal rights.

Equal rights, now that is a subject that has been used, abused and expanded, changed and fought for. People have died for their rights, be it voting, or freedom of speech, or just freedom. The definition of equal rights vary from person to person. Conservitives and liberals have diffrent ideas of equal rights, gay and straights have a diffrent view of the subject, christians and athiest have another view of what equal rights means. Races have fought over equal rights.

The truth is without a certain amount of tolerance of others there is no such thing as equal rights. There are certain things that are sacred to all of us, not the same thing but varied. For some it is religion, others it is personal rights, others it is moral rights. Each of us have a diffrent view of what our rights should be. The problem is in order for one group to have their rights protected they remove another groups.

For example, christians want prayer in schools and athiest do not, there are no prayers in school so the athiest rights are protected but in doing so the christian lost the right to practice a form of freedoms. Gays want to have the right to marry, which most people believe is a union between a man and a woman, so in order for one to get it another has to give up a portion of their rights to believe and have a sacred union as they feel it is.

Races have faught from the begining of time over rights, what one sees as a slight another does not. When it comes to equal we have a problem. There really is no equal to anything. Women and men are not the same, nor do they think the same nor do they act the same and in life they are not treated the same, niether do we treat each other the same. We do not allow children the same rights as we do an adult as they are not legal so we make choices for them.

There really is no such thing as equal rights. In forming the laws that each company has to hire an equal number of one minorities over another we get into who is qaulified for the jobs and who is not. Not always are minorities just as qualified as non-minorities. Not always are women the right choice to do certain jobs any more than men, and the color of your skin, the sex, the political views and the religion or lack of one does not qualify anyone for anything. The ability to do the job the best is what should be the quality for choosing who will do it.

The more we adjust and change the equal rights issue the more we lose and most of us do not see this. When we pass a law that takes the right of another to choose we are infringing on the rights of others but we feel it is our right to do so. I have found the fight for equal rights to be a joke on some parts and a very serious issue on other parts. The right to speech, work, religious practices, and life are things I take seriously. I really have found that taking any one of these rights from another person offinsive. I find the majority is not always the majority but minority who picks.

The thing with rights is we all have them and we all want them and we all define them in our own way without regard for others. We each believe it is our right to have what we believe is equal as the rule to go by. Now what makes us right? What makes what we want more equal than what the other person wants as equal? By whose standard do we  define what a right really is? When we pick a group we violate another groups rights so where do we stop and stand back and say if it is not against the law then it is a right? If it is constitutional than it is a right? When do we say you have given up your rights?

We have the right to equality yet we do not. Until we can define who has the real right to be right we have no equal right to anything and then it will still not be equal as there will always be some one with rights removed. Equal means to divide in portions of exact measurements, but that is not how it goes with our rights. There is no equal to it. We do not allow 2 days for prayers in school and 2 without with one day of swap. There is not the right to pick a smokers resturant from a non-smokers, nor the right for alot of things that are legal but not.

So the point is there really is not a thing called equal rights because some one has to give up a right for the other to have theirs.

Nite all and God bless.

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jpbikerfreak read my blog view my photos
Nov 21, 2008 | 10:12 AM

The concept of rights are simple - you have a right to swing your arm until your fist hits someone else's face. You have a right to do what you want unless it takes something away from another person against his will.

First off, atheists do NOT want to eliminate prayer in school, just school sponsored prayer. I for one, as an atheist would be the first to fight for students' rights to pray in school, so long as a teacher doesn't mandate or lead it. Schools are not indoctrination camp. And atheism is not a religion either. This is NEUTRALITY in government.

Secondly, with gay marriage, opponents don't like it, but so what? Is it hurting anyone? Who is the victim? This is the equivalent of swinging one's arms, but no fist hits anyone.

Affirmative action, which is what you allude to in your employment paragraph, is not equal rights (as you say). It's just more discrimination, 2 wrongs trying to make a right (no pun intended!).

As for men and women, I wholehartedly agree. I'm tired of this ridiculous notion that women can do anything (or should do anything) an man can do and vice versa.

Why not let women into the NFL? Because they would likely be killed. The average woman just isn't as big or strong as the average man. It's a fact. But I'm sure I'll get blasted for pointing this out because it's not PC.

Squirrelly_girl read my blog
Nov 21, 2008 | 10:29 AM

We are legislating our rights away. You can't even go to a bar a drink a beer and smoke a cigarette now. This is because of a vocal minority who have been able to usurp authority over the majority. We are watching our liberties go away one by one, but what can we do about it? We watched Obama win the presidential election by cheating. Where are the role models? Where are those in power who can do something about this? We can't.

originalmo_trucker read my blog
Nov 21, 2008 | 10:36 AM

Many years ago I worked for the Federal government. At that time I observed that all of the supervisors and managers in the agency where I worked were minorities. I didn't think that it was right that there was not one single supervisor or manager present who looked like me, but yet what could I do about it? I couldn't protest that my rights were violated. I felt the hostility and oppression for being a white male. I underwent a system where my chances for advancement were limited because the minorities had control, and they knew that if the "white boy" got out of line, just give him the hard jobs, and bad job reviews. It didn't matter that I had an education better than theirs. It didn't matter that I knew my job better than they did. All that mattered was that they were not going to advance anyone who was not the same gender or color they were!

Discrimination and trampling upon others "rights" happens all of the time. The biggest problem is how we handle it.

jpbikerfreak read my blog view my photos
Nov 21, 2008 | 10:41 AM

Yep originalmo, just one more reason I'd never work for the government, outside the military anyway.

gimini210 read my blog view my photos
Nov 21, 2008 | 11:22 AM

The problem with equal rights happens to be the equal, you can not call anything equal if you take from one to give to another leaving one without a right.

Milton75 read my blog
Nov 21, 2008 | 11:34 AM

Fact:
30 states have put ballot measures up defining marriage as one man and one woman.
Fact:
All 30 states have VOTED to define marriage as one man and one woman.
Where is the controversy?
Seems to me that a majority of the country has spoken. Since when did we decide that everyone is entitled to win their respective opinions at the ballots? Since when did States lose their autonomy (State Constitution) from the Federal Government?
I have yet to find constitutional language that states all Americans have the right to marry.
Not to mention - marriage, as far as most Americans are concerned, is a tenet of Christian, religious, establishment. Not exactly a model the gay community seeks last time I checked.
What is wrong with having civil unions and states recognizing them as marital equivelents? Everyone gets what they want.
Right?

gimini210 read my blog view my photos
Nov 21, 2008 | 12:06 PM

I have none with what defines marriage. I was just saying there is no such thing as EQUAL rights. If you take a right from one person and give a right to another the equal part has flown the coop.

SUZY_Q read my blog view my photos
Nov 21, 2008 | 1:36 PM

Smoking and the "vocal minority" - In the year 2008 - The "vocal minority" is the majority these days. Smoking is nasty. I'm an ex-2 pack a day smoker. I THANK GOD I don't have to sit in places where I eat/drink next to people who smoke.

Gay Marriage. (Good grief - the dead horse as risen again) . 1st - Gay marriage does not "take a right from one person and give a right to another" - With the high divorce rate between men and women... I think it's clear - gays have nothing to do with the fall of the traditional marriage. I have no problem calling "gay marriage" a "civil union" - As long as the laws are consistent between the two - What's it matter? Coming full circle - Why is the lable so important? In my opinion - it's fear of change. A percieved loss... not a real one.

Jordan read my blog
Nov 21, 2008 | 2:37 PM

The problem is with the term EQUAL RIGHTS. What we are suppose to have is equal opportunity and equal treatment. The Declaration of Independence says: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Pay attention to the words. We have a right to life and liberty, but only a right to the PURSUIT of happiness. No where does it say we have the right or guarantee to actually obtain happiness.

SUZY_Q read my blog view my photos
Nov 21, 2008 | 2:38 PM

Milton - BTW - you said referring to gays and religion, "Not exactly a model the gay community seeks last time I checked" ...

First, I'd suggest looking beyond "liberal media" and the internet for your definition of "gays" and what they believe or don't believe. The majority of the people in the "gay community" are not rainbow flag flying - partially clad - biker chicks handing out clitoris-shaped lollipops or drag queens drinking from penis shaped beer bottles. No wonder why the average straight person with limited exposure to the gay community - feel the way they do about "gay people" - Ironically; the average gay person wishes these "gay pride" folks would "shut up and sit down" - Ignorantly these people set "gay rights" back 50 years. If "gay pride" was my ONLY glimpse into the "gay lifestyle" - I'd vote NO for gay marriage too!

To each his own.. But, "gay pride" being "here queer and in your ear" DOES NOT project the reality for the majority of gay people I know... I don't have a problem with Gay Pride.. But, I do have a problem when the negative aspects start to speak for the majority. It would be like letting black rappers define what it means to be black.

On a different note. I hear Janet Napolitano is gay even so she says she's not. Like most gay women in her position - They deny they're gay in public - and fight to stay in the closet... only letting 2-3 trusting confidants "in"... Only problem is.. She runs around AZ with her girl friend all the time :) (my mom told me that) - Anyway - I'm glad Hussein picked a good ol' hard working lesbi

SUZY_Q read my blog view my photos
Nov 21, 2008 | 2:39 PM

Cont....

Anyway - I'm glad Hussein picked a good ol' hard working lesbian to protect our country in homeland security! LOL... :-O

Squirrelly_girl read my blog
Nov 21, 2008 | 3:11 PM

gimini210
Nov 21, 2008 | 10:22 AM The problem with equal rights happens to be the equal, you can not call anything equal if you take from one to give to another leaving one without a right.
Very elloquently put. Thank you, Gimini. Your truth is undeniable!

Squirrelly_girl read my blog
Nov 21, 2008 | 3:16 PM

I'm always surprised when someone else thinks that they know what's better for me than I do. It is amazing to me that we have to create even more laws to tell everybody what they can or cannot do. The fact is, if you don't want to go to that "smoking" bar, don't go. End of discussion. But the problem is this: you want to tell me I don't have the right to go to a bar, light up a cigarette, and drink a beer. Why do you feel you have more of a right than I do? Why don't you go to a nonsmoking bar? Why do you want to take MY rights away? Huh? You are not always right, SUZY. As a matter of fact, you are really not right about this one. And I'll tell you something else: I don't smoke cigarettes, but I think other people have the right to make that decision for themselves. And if a bar wants to be a nonsmoking bar, then it should be up to that bar owner, not a very vocal minority.

Squirrelly_girl read my blog
Nov 21, 2008 | 3:23 PM

One thing to note is that if/when it is accepted that a gay partner can get their partner reduced price insurance, someone else is paying for this, and that would be you and me. Now I'm not against people being able to get insurance, but when my insurance premiums are going up because someone else's partner doesn't want to go out and get a job and get her or his own insurance, then I have a problem with it. My daughter can't get insurance just because I get good insurance at work, because she is over 18 or 21 or whatever the rules are. That's life.

jpbikerfreak read my blog view my photos
Nov 21, 2008 | 3:25 PM

Majority rule is mob rule. Democracy is 51 wolves and 49 sheep deciding what's for dinner. Who cares what the majority thinks? It has no right to violate basic human rights.

And I don't care what your religion says, we're not a theocracy, nor has any religion ever been part of common law.

Again I ask you milton, who is the victim of a gay marriage? How are you harmed? I've asked this question over and over on this blog (and everywhere else) and never gotten an answer.

Civil unions smacks of separate but equal doctrine.

jpbikerfreak read my blog view my photos
Nov 21, 2008 | 3:26 PM

Uh, squirrely, I hate to break the news to you, but partners are rated for premium. It doesn't cost you anything more to have a gay person on your insurance.

Wow.

jpbikerfreak read my blog view my photos
Nov 21, 2008 | 3:34 PM

I mean you do realize that generally speaking the more people you have in an insurance group the better the rates are, right?

Fewer people = higher premiums.

So really adding gays should make your premium cheaper.

And how is your example any different than a hetrosexual couple getting married and having one of them "not want to go out and get a job"?

So are you for it now?

DogJ read my blog
Nov 21, 2008 | 3:43 PM

I think SUZY_Q and jp make very valid points, but I do have a/some concerns about everyone and everything being considered for "Equal Rights"
So what harm becomes you or what expense befalls you for beastiality, with a condom? Why can't I marry a puberty 13 year old without parental consent?
Homosexuality used to be against the law.
Marrying a 13 year old used to be normal.
So, what are "basic human rights" and why do they change if they are basic?

Just some thoughts for conversation.

Milton75 read my blog
Nov 21, 2008 | 4:20 PM

SuzyQ & jpbiker -
When did I say "gay marriage" is harming me?
Not to mention, this logic - as long as no one gets hurt it must be okay - is ridiculous. I shouldn't even have to support that statement. You guys are missing the point here.
This topic has been voted on by various states multiple times - and the result is the same.
I'm sorry you don't like the results, but that is something you will have to come to terms with.
This is what makes our country the envy of the world. We have a political process in which we can vote and then we live with the choice the voters have made.
I don't like the fact that Obama is the next President of the United States - but I am not running aroung the streets with signs screaming my rights have been violated. I just have to accept that he is the next President. End of story.

jpbikerfreak read my blog view my photos
Nov 21, 2008 | 4:42 PM

dog, until we determine what the problem is with gay marriage I don't want to discuss anything else. We're not talking about child molesting, we're talking about gay marriage. I don't buy the gateway drug theory, the slippery slope theory, or any other smoke screen that people have used over the years to persecute people who do things that they just don't like.

Milton, no you are missing the point. I don't believe it is OK to vote someone else's rights away. The majority can be, and frequently is, wrong.

According to your logic slavery was just fine because it was voted for in the south.

Slaves, just sit down and be quiet. We took a vote, there are more whites than blacks, so you lost. Now make me a sandwich.

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I am a reformed democrat now republican and mother of 5, have 10 grandchildren and one greatgrand child. I have lived all over the US and love to sit on docks and fish. Waiting for the big one. I love my family and a good joke, reading and painting. My siblings all think I need to be taken care of as do my children and I'm the oldest so don't know why. I watch Fox 4 News because you are about the fairest all around on T.V.

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