gimini210's Blog

I've been watching and listening to the bailout debates. I find it ironic that the Big 3 are more important than the small businesses. When you think about it with an open mind, there are millions of people losing or going to lose their jobs that work for small businesses. Yet these companies are not valued like the Big 3, IGA, Banks, and good old Fannie and Freddie. Because these companies hire a large group all at one time they are more valued.

Now if you think of it on another level, there are 1.5 million people who lost their jobs this last month and most of them worked for smaller companies that cut back or closed because of the economy.  How is it that the 1.5 million or the 3 million or any one persons job is any less valued than the ones bailed out or going to be bailed out? Who is the person or persons that make that choice? If you are the person who just lost your job you are not going to be happy hearing how these companies getting fed help so others can keep their jobs as more valued than the job you had.

We have a government making bailouts with money that we will have to pay back and they are picking the companies they want to help. Well, I for one, feel that it is not fair unless they are willing to help out every company that needs help to keep every job for every person that is losing theirs or going to. I see no company that is more valued than another. No income more needed than another. No paycheck that is not needed more than another. I see 1.5 million as just as valued as the thousands of workers at the Big 3.

So who amoung us feels that any job is more important that another, or any company more valued than the one you work at or worked at? Who feels their paycheck is less valued than another? And who wants to keep watching congress bailout the companies with the most votes as veruses the ones with very few? I think that is what they are doing. Buying votes for the next election by bailing out the companies that will give them the most votes, that and the Unions.

Nite all, Merry Christmas and God bless.

O.K., Pelosi now wants to give the Big 3 $75 billion on top of the $25 billion putting our country  $1.5 trillion in debt with bailouts. So who voted all those dems in? Who thought they would make such a great change? What is wrong with them? Do they not see we are sinking deeper and deeper into debt with their spending like there is no end?

Just who is going to pay for the debt they are putting us in? Then you have Obama going to use another few trillion to start up energy programs and better the schools putting us further into debt. He is taking over as president with a $10 trillion debt and with his plans and congress they will be adding another $3 trillion. Must be nice to be able to spend and not think of where you will get the money.

I do not know about the rest of you but the worse day in our history was the day we voted in so many dems they forgot who they work for. No drilling for our own oil, destroy the coal industry with fines, and go green and raise our electric bills by about three times what they are. But in the mean time they keep raising taxes on businesses and driving them out of the country or just plain destroying them.

All I can say is God help us because congress has the biggest out of touch people running it that our nation could vote in. Between the congress and Obama we will need all the help we can get so if you believe there is a God I suggest you start praying and praying hard. If you do not believe there is a God pray anyway, it can't hurt and it may help.

Nite all and God bless.

I guess math is not used in government. They still have not caught on that putting a finger in a dike does not fix the crack. The crack is still there and it is only going to get bigger. You can not put money into a business that has an overhead to run greater than it's income. It is along the lines of putting a bandaide on a gash that needs stitches. It wont work. The Big 3, banking and all the rest are still sinking even as congress tells us it is working. I am guessing they think we can not see what is going on.

Look at the companies losing money everyday. They are cutting back on employees, closing down alot of stores, shutting down alot of companies and still our economy is bleeding. Congress extended the unemployment and added more taxes onto to businesses as the business pays into unemployment. They added another burden onto an over burdened system. How does that help? More lost jobs, more unemployment and a larger crack.

When will they learn that when a thing is ruptured you have to repair it with more than a finger in a dike. You have to use math. Math runs computors, business, and budgets. It is what tallies our pay checks, and balances our bank book. You have to use it at some point and time when working with something that is based on math. All they need to do is reduce taxes on businesses, while some businesses make pay cuts and benifit cuts.

Trim down expences not raise them. If you go to the store with $100.00 you can not buy $200.00 in products. If you tried you could not pay the bill. You have to pick what is more important and congress does not get it. Right at this moment we need to create jobs and keep the ones we have. There are few out there without a job who would not be glad for anything rather than nothing. Unemployment is a real pay cut and it doesn't last long, while the benifits suck while on it.

If a company is not earning enough to stay open they are not earning enough for higher taxes, nor the ones they have now. Extended unemployment sounds good but the cost is far greater than the sound. We have companies closing down and when they extended the unemployment they hit the very people they say they want to help. What they need in government is a large group of men and women with knowlege of how businesses work and not people who never ran one and think they can fix it by throwing money into it.

Would you rather take a pay cut, lose a benifit, and keep a job or lose a job and see more companies fold? I know I sound like a know it all but I have family in business and their unemployment taxes just went up again. Some of them had to lay off more workers as they were not making a profit as it was. They talked to the employees and everyone agreed to pay cuts earlier in the year but even that was just a temp fix to prevent layoffs. Now they have to. Some have gone to just family working for them.

If I can figure this out I do not understand why congress can not. So they cut their spending for a few years and cut taxes on companies so they get a little relief to go on until we start our economy back up, who will this hurt? We have seen their plan fall flat on it's face with a resounding boom. Now it is time they rethink their stand on our economy and admit they are wrong before we have a BOOM heard world round.

Congress should take pay cuts and give up dining out, stop using jets to fly from point to point, have less holidays and do like the rest of us, tighten their belts not keep on spending like there is a money tree outside the White House. It is time to face facts, there is too much waiste and not enough brains in congress.

I guess when you reach a certain age you have seen, heard and lived alot of things. From radio as your source of news and everything to the MP3 players and flat screen T.V. but the one thing you never get caught up on is equal rights.

Equal rights, now that is a subject that has been used, abused and expanded, changed and fought for. People have died for their rights, be it voting, or freedom of speech, or just freedom. The definition of equal rights vary from person to person. Conservitives and liberals have diffrent ideas of equal rights, gay and straights have a diffrent view of the subject, christians and athiest have another view of what equal rights means. Races have fought over equal rights.

The truth is without a certain amount of tolerance of others there is no such thing as equal rights. There are certain things that are sacred to all of us, not the same thing but varied. For some it is religion, others it is personal rights, others it is moral rights. Each of us have a diffrent view of what our rights should be. The problem is in order for one group to have their rights protected they remove another groups.

For example, christians want prayer in schools and athiest do not, there are no prayers in school so the athiest rights are protected but in doing so the christian lost the right to practice a form of freedoms. Gays want to have the right to marry, which most people believe is a union between a man and a woman, so in order for one to get it another has to give up a portion of their rights to believe and have a sacred union as they feel it is.

Races have faught from the begining of time over rights, what one sees as a slight another does not. When it comes to equal we have a problem. There really is no equal to anything. Women and men are not the same, nor do they think the same nor do they act the same and in life they are not treated the same, niether do we treat each other the same. We do not allow children the same rights as we do an adult as they are not legal so we make choices for them.

There really is no such thing as equal rights. In forming the laws that each company has to hire an equal number of one minorities over another we get into who is qaulified for the jobs and who is not. Not always are minorities just as qualified as non-minorities. Not always are women the right choice to do certain jobs any more than men, and the color of your skin, the sex, the political views and the religion or lack of one does not qualify anyone for anything. The ability to do the job the best is what should be the quality for choosing who will do it.

The more we adjust and change the equal rights issue the more we lose and most of us do not see this. When we pass a law that takes the right of another to choose we are infringing on the rights of others but we feel it is our right to do so. I have found the fight for equal rights to be a joke on some parts and a very serious issue on other parts. The right to speech, work, religious practices, and life are things I take seriously. I really have found that taking any one of these rights from another person offinsive. I find the majority is not always the majority but minority who picks.

The thing with rights is we all have them and we all want them and we all define them in our own way without regard for others. We each believe it is our right to have what we believe is equal as the rule to go by. Now what makes us right? What makes what we want more equal than what the other person wants as equal? By whose standard do we  define what a right really is? When we pick a group we violate another groups rights so where do we stop and stand back and say if it is not against the law then it is a right? If it is constitutional than it is a right? When do we say you have given up your rights?

We have the right to equality yet we do not. Until we can define who has the real right to be right we have no equal right to anything and then it will still not be equal as there will always be some one with rights removed. Equal means to divide in portions of exact measurements, but that is not how it goes with our rights. There is no equal to it. We do not allow 2 days for prayers in school and 2 without with one day of swap. There is not the right to pick a smokers resturant from a non-smokers, nor the right for alot of things that are legal but not.

So the point is there really is not a thing called equal rights because some one has to give up a right for the other to have theirs.

Nite all and God bless.

I understand the need to come up with plans for clean energy but at what cost? The solar energy plant in CA is huge, it takes a million+ gallons of water a year to operate.  Uses 2000 achers of land, and produces 1% of the energy for  FPL. Now that is alot of land and water for 150 megawatts of energy. Concervation is the idea behind clean energy and I am led to ask what are we conseving? Not land, nor water and for as little eletric as they put out not energy. So I have come to the conclution it is air and some ones pocket book as we would have to strip all forrest, and brush around them so they would get maximum sunlight to produce. http://www.fplenergy.com/portfolio/solar/facts.shtmla>

Is this what we have to look forward to? Ask a question of the DNC leaders and become a national threat that has to be vetted by the democrats? Joe has been vetted far better than Obama. We know more about Joe than we do the candidate the DNC has chosen to run for their party. We know about his education, his taxes, his job, his child support, his divorce, his lack of a love life.

We know Joe. But we do not know Obama. We are blocked from his college records, his birth certificate, his family, his friends, his values, his life. Yet we know Joe the plumber as well as we know our selfs. Why? Because this man ask a question and Obama answered it and stuck both feet in his mouth. Obama messed up. So who pays for Obama's mistake? Joe.

Is this Cuba? Is this how we expect to be treated? Do you not see the mistake in thinking this is how we should be treated? Joe is the average person, you, me, your family. This man can not even go to work because he ask a question. He has no income because he ask a question. He has been treated like a terrorist because he ask a question. Do you want to live like this? Think about the reality of what is going on. It isn't if Joe owes taxes, the state said they had not even sent him a notice yet, it isn't if he pays his support, it isn't if he has his license yet, it is the fact HE ASK A QUESTION AND WAS PERSECUTED FOR IT. INTIMINATED. That is what it is about.

Now go vote for your hero. Go vote to have your right to ask questions taken away. Go vote for a man who does not stand up to the media and the DNC and tell them to leave Joe alone that he is an American with the right to question a candidate. Go vote for a man who claims to want transperancy as long as it isn't his we want but ours. The people not running for office. Go vote for a man who does not tell all of them leave the man alone he has a family to support. Go vote for the man who lets the little guy on the street be hounded into poverty.

That is Obama. That is the man I see. A man who allows others to pay for his mistakes. A coward, a liar, a cheat. A man who has no loyalties to anyone but himself.

Nite all and God bless.

Is this what we have to look forward to? Ask a question of the DNC leaders and become a national threat that has to be vetted by the democrats? Joe has been vetted far better than Obama. We know more about Joe than we do the candidate the DNC has chosen to run for their party. We know about his education, his taxes, his job, his child support, his divorce, his lack of a love life.

We know Joe. But we do not know Obama. We are blocked from his college records, his birth certificate, his family, his friends, his values, his life. Yet we know Joe the plumber as well as we know our selfs. Why? Because this man ask a question and Obama answered it and stuck both feet in his mouth. Obama messed up. So who pays for Obama's mistake? Joe.

Is this Cuba? Is this how we expect to be treated? Do you not see the mistake in thinking this is how we should be treated? Joe is the average person, you, me, your family. This man can not even go to work because he ask a question. He has no income because he ask a question. He has been treated like a terrorist because he ask a question. Do you want to live like this? Think about the reality of what is going on. It isn't if Joe owes taxes, the state said they had not even sent him a notice yet, it isn't if he pays his support, it isn't if he has his license yet, it is the fact HE ASK A QUESTION AND WAS PERSECUTED FOR IT. INTIMINATED. That is what it is about.

Now go vote for your hero. Go vote to have your right to ask questions taken away. Go vote for a man who does not stand up to the media and the DNC and tell them to leave Joe alone that he is an American with the right to question a candidate. Go vote for a man who claims to want transperancy as long as it isn't his we want but ours. The people not running for office. Go vote for a man who does not tell all of them leave the man alone he has a family to support. Go vote for the man who lets the little guy on the street be hounded into poverty.

That is Obama. That is the man I see. A man who allows others to pay for his mistakes. A coward, a liar, a cheat. A man who has no loyalties to anyone but himself.

Nite all and God bless.

I watched my friend work her behind off to get a degree to get a job that pays well, so she can finally have the American dream and there is a group of people who are telling her she needs to give a little of what she earns to the people who could of done the same but did not. After years of hard work and doing without these people think she did not earn what she makes but the ones who put little effort into moving forward did.

While the regular guy goes to work for 8 hours then goes home and kicks back watching CSI or sports, the business person and my friend were still hard at work building a future for themselfs and now some guy who never started a business nor had to work that 8 hour day while supporting kids and getting a degree, need to give a little of what they worked for to those who did not earn it.

Mean while this same Obama and his democratic buddies where taking big money from companies that destroyed our economy, while they blocked all efforts to get it under control before it happened and now they have the gall to cry look at what the republicans did. It was their greed  and give a little ideas that brought this crisis down on us and their solution? Bail out Fannie and Freddie but to heck with the guy who is watching his hopes and dreams go up in smoke, let's just tax them and finish the job.

These same people have a $800 billion pork plan sitting and waiting for Obama to get elected and do they care we are 2 trillion in debt and in an economic crisis? No they do not, as Barney Frank says there are still alot of rich people out there we can tax. Do they care we spend $700+ billion a year buying oil we have here? No, there are still a few rich people out there to tax. Do they care that we have enemies who want to destroy us? No they plan to disarm our missle tracking weapons, our nuke defenses and cut our defense budget by 25% so they can waste more.

I see our future threw the eyes of a liberal democrat and it is not pretty. We will end up sitting ducks with very few jobs and a President that even his VP pick does not believe can protect us. I see a nation very like Iran, Cuba and some of the African nations, poor starving and our own people being destroyed, but not to worry, there are still some rich people to tax so the people who did not earn the money will get it.

Nite all and God bless

I watched my friend work her behind off to get a degree to get a job that pays well, so she can finally have the American dream and there is a group of people who are telling her she needs to give a little of what she earns to the people who could of done the same but did not. After years of hard work and doing without these people think she did not earn what she makes but the ones who put little effort into moving forward did.

While the regular guy goes to work for 8 hours then goes home and kicks back watching CSI or sports, the business person and my friend were still hard at work building a future for themselfs and now some guy who never started a business nor had to work that 8 hour day while supporting kids and getting a degree, need to give a little of what they worked for to those who did not earn it.

Mean while this same Obama and his democratic buddies where taking big money from companies that destroyed our economy, while they blocked all efforts to get it under control before it happened and now they have the gall to cry look at what the republicans did. It was their greed  and give a little ideas that brought this crisis down on us and their solution? Bail out Fannie and Freddie but to heck with the guy who is watching his hopes and dreams go up in smoke, let's just tax them and finish the job.

These same people have a $800 billion pork plan sitting and waiting for Obama to get elected and do they care we are 2 trillion in debt and in an economic crisis? No they do not, as Barney Frank says there are still alot of rich people out there we can tax. Do they care we spend $700+ billion a year buying oil we have here? No, there are still a few rich people out there to tax. Do they care that we have enemies who want to destroy us? No they plan to disarm our missle tracking weapons, our nuke defenses and cut our defense budget by 25% so they can waste more.

I see our future threw the eyes of a liberal democrat and it is not pretty. We will end up sitting ducks with very few jobs and a President that even his VP pick does not believe can protect us. I see a nation very like Iran, Cuba and some of the African nations, poor starving and our own people being destroyed, but not to worry, there are still some rich people to tax so the people who did not earn the money will get it.

Nite all and God bless

I watched my friend work her behind off to get a degree to get a job that pays well, so she can finally have the American dream and there is a group of people who are telling her she needs to give a little of what she earns to the people who could of done the same but did not. After years of hard work and doing without these people think she did not earn what she makes but the ones who put little effort into moving forward did.

While the regular guy goes to work for 8 hours then goes home and kicks back watching CSI or sports, the business person and my friend were still hard at work building a future for themselfs and now some guy who never started a business nor had to work that 8 hour day while supporting kids and getting a degree, need to give a little of what they worked for to those who did not earn it.

Mean while this same Obama and his democratic buddies where taking big money from companies that destroyed our economy, while they blocked all efforts to get it under control before it happened and now they have the gall to cry look at what the republicans did. It was their greed  and give a little ideas that brought this crisis down on us and their solution? Bail out Fannie and Freddie but to heck with the guy who is watching his hopes and dreams go up in smoke, let's just tax them and finish the job.

These same people have a $800 billion pork plan sitting and waiting for Obama to get elected and do they care we are 2 trillion in debt and in an economic crisis? No they do not, as Barney Frank says there are still alot of rich people out there we can tax. Do they care we spend $700+ billion a year buying oil we have here? No, there are still a few rich people out there to tax. Do they care that we have enemies who want to destroy us? No they plan to disarm our missle tracking weapons, our nuke defenses and cut our defense budget by 25% so they can waste more.

I see our future threw the eyes of a liberal democrat and it is not pretty. We will end up sitting ducks with very few jobs and a President that even his VP pick does not believe can protect us. I see a nation very like Iran, Cuba and some of the African nations, poor starving and our own people being destroyed, but not to worry, there are still some rich people to tax so the people who did not earn the money will get it.

Nite all and God bless

I watched my friend work her behind off to get a degree to get a job that pays well, so she can finally have the American dream and there is a group of people who are telling her she needs to give a little of what she earns to the people who could of done the same but did not. After years of hard work and doing without these people think she did not earn what she makes but the ones who put little effort into moving forward did.

While the regular guy goes to work for 8 hours then goes home and kicks back watching CSI or sports, the business person and my friend were still hard at work building a future for themselfs and now some guy who never started a business nor had to work that 8 hour day while supporting kids and getting a degree, need to give a little of what they worked for to those who did not earn it.

Mean while this same Obama and his democratic buddies where taking big money from companies that destroyed our economy, while they blocked all efforts to get it under control before it happened and now they have the gall to cry look at what the republicans did. It was their greed  and give a little ideas that brought this crisis down on us and their solution? Bail out Fannie and Freddie but to heck with the guy who is watching his hopes and dreams go up in smoke, let's just tax them and finish the job.

These same people have a $800 billion pork plan sitting and waiting for Obama to get elected and do they care we are 2 trillion in debt and in an economic crisis? No they do not, as Barney Frank says there are still alot of rich people out there we can tax. Do they care we spend $700+ billion a year buying oil we have here? No, there are still a few rich people out there to tax. Do they care that we have enemies who want to destroy us? No they plan to disarm our missle tracking weapons, our nuke defenses and cut our defense budget by 25% so they can waste more.

I see our future threw the eyes of a liberal democrat and it is not pretty. We will end up sitting ducks with very few jobs and a President that even his VP pick does not believe can protect us. I see a nation very like Iran, Cuba and some of the African nations, poor starving and our own people being destroyed, but not to worry, there are still some rich people to tax so the people who did not earn the money will get it.

Nite all and God bless

     We have now seen the results of socialism. We have seen what happens to free enterprise when you force them to loan to those who can not afford it, how welfare failed to do what it was intended to do, how freebies created a new breed of lazy, use the system groups, we have seen our taxes sky rocket. We have been Sheep led to disaster.

    Our schools are failing to do their jobs due to all the interferance from government. We have teachers putting swear words on blackboards for grade school children, children not learning the basics, we have the state controlling the discipline of our children and alot our children have gone wild. We have watch our family values go down the toilet, we have seen alot of our communities turn into slums. We have lost our morality, our prisons are over flowing and we still believe that we need more of the things that have destroyed our nation. We do not look at the countries where these very beliefs have a majority of extremely poor and extremely weathy, yet we believe this will work. Our nation has slowly deteriated from the time we began to incorperate socialism into our policies.

    The moment we allowed laws to give to the people who did not earn and to allow government to interfer in the running of businesses. We have a nation now where our businesses leave as often as stay due to governmental interferance and taxes. We have people using the system, high prices on nearly everything and we have a small group of people telling us what is best for us. The United States is a Republic, not a Democracy, and the reason our forefathers set it up that way was to prevent the very thing going on now. We tend to stay with our party lines without actually looking at what they are doing.

    We believe the bunk we are told and we do not use our brains to think, if we are in this mess where did it start and who started it. We hear the media and the words spoken by politicians and we believe them without looking it up. We have become sheep being led to slaughter and do not stop and question the people leading us to our own  demise.

   Our govenments history tells us who raised our taxes, who changed our laws, who brought us to the point of distruction of our countries economics yet we still do not use what we have at hand. We have the government giving our taxes to A.C.O.R.N. while they bail out companies they caused to crash and the same people giving million to a group they know is dishonest, being charged with felonies, and backing one candidate and not the other. Millions of our taxes to places that the bail out was not for, yet we trust these very people and their words. We are sheep being led and we do not see the slaughter house ahead.

   I can only say that we need to be more deligent in our research and vet our own truths. We have found that not all media is honest and we know they can not be trusted so it has become our job to seek the truth before our own lack of responcibility leads us to detruction and we become slaves to our government. We need to go back to before the government knew what was best for us and to where we take control over our lives. After all if we are adults we should be able to know what we want and is good for our families and lives, if not then we are not truely free nor do we have the right to choose. We are simply sheep being led.

We have debated over and over on which party is best for our country. Well let us do a history lesson. For how many years have we had a democratic congress in American as versus a republican one? 32 times the democrats wrote the laws, drew up the taxes, and passed the bills as versis 12 1/2 times  that the republicans did. In all this time how often have your taxes been cut?

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/
briefing/Majority_Minority_Leaders.htm#4

The problem with our country is easily blamed on republicans but if you actually look up the amount of time democrats have had the majority rule in congress and compare it to the amount of time with republicans there becomes a patern. If the democrats are so good at running the country then where did this mess come from. Now mind you the first 5 times republicans held the majority in congress was back in 1923 t0 1933 in which time it was a split congress some of the time.

Now we all know the democrats run on the stance they are for the lower and middle incomes and what is best for them, so if this is the case then why in the 32 times they were majority leaders did they not look out for them? They have had a longer rule and enough time to show they are for working class people with middle and lower incomes. Yet they have done very little for any one except their party.

Now take into account that they have had more than twice as long as republicans to change our country, lower our taxes and work for the people. How much has been done? How many times were your taxes lowered and by which party? Then ask yourselfs this, who freed up social security so it could be drained? Who voted in this give the people who can't afford it loans and morgages?

When you start a system of welfare some one has to pay and despite their promises that it will be the rich it has been you and I and not the rich. How often have the democrats raised your taxes? the just voted out Bush's tax cut so start there, how often have they raised taxes on the rich and what have you? Do yourself and your country a favor and actually go look up the facts as versus what you are told. It is time we as a people take a history lesson on who runs our country and what party actually did what.

If you  will not do this then you have no one but yourself to blame for voting and not knowing what your party really does. Look at the state of our nation now. Go look up who ran congress when this began, because it is congress that runs our nation, they pass the taxes, they write the laws, they are responsible for our budget. Take the time to learn about the ruining, and that is not a miss spelling, of our nation.

http://bensguide.gpo.gov/9-12/government/national/c
ongress2.html

Nite all and God bless.

If Obama wants to redistribute wealth then let him start with George Soros, Operah, and the 12 or 13 multi-millionairs in congress which at least 10 are democrats. If he is so concerned with the little people and our income then let them be the ones giving a "little" as their pockets are more able to give a "little". Why is he going after the man who really does not earn that much? I am all for those people giving up their fortunes if they want to rob the rich and give to the poor.

I can tell you why, Gearge, Oprah, and all those multi-millionairs aren't giving up their wealth and they know it. They have lawyers and over seas banks to protect their money so he goes after the less wealthy. Now give this some thought. If Oprah and George and the rest of them thought Obama was going to deplete their pockets that they worked hard to swell would they be so gung BLEEP for redistributing the wealth? Look at it realisticlly, Not a single multi-millionair+ is going to let anyone take their money, that is not how they got there.

So it will once again be the little guy who pays the way and the really rich who sit back and make more off our backs. The sad part is they use our desire to have to gain our votes. Wanting is not bad, it is the how you get it that matters. Threw the history of our country the dems have had the welfare mentality and so far most of it has not worked. I realisticly do not see it working now. Welfare breeds laziness and not a work force. If you do not have to earn it you do not go and work for it.

So take from them that really have and not the guys making car payments and morgages like the rest of us.

I think we need a closer look at what the Democrats back and the Republicans:

Date Vote Position 9/6/07 Vote 318: H R 2764: Brownback Amdt. No. 2707; To prohibit funding of organizations that support coercive abortion. Republicans Yes , democrats No, So we should be coerced into abortions.

7/19/07 Vote 262: On the Motion: Motion to Waive CBA Stabenow Amdt. No 2358; Relative to illegal aliens qualifying for Social Security benefits. Republicans No, Democrats Yes, So democrats feel our social security should go to illegals

6/19/07 Vote 213: H R 6: Bunning Amdt. No. 1628; To provide standards for clean coal-derived fuels. Republicans Yes, Democrats No, including Obama and Biden.

6/9/07 Vote 68: On the Cloture Motion: Motion to Invoke Cloture on Cornyn Amdt. No. 312, As Modified; To prohibit the recruitment of persons to participate in terrorism, to clarify that the revocation of an alien's visa or other documentation is not subject to judicial review, to strengthen the Federal Government's ability to detain dangerous criminal aliens, including murderers, rapists, and child molesters, until they can be removed from the United States, to prohibit the rewarding of suicide bombings and allow adequate punishments for terrorists murders, kidnappings, and sexual assaults, and for other purposes. Democrats no, Republicans yes

3/13/08 Vote 60: S CON RES 70: Sessions Amdt. No. 4231; To establish a deficit-neutral reserve fund for border security, immigration enforcement, and criminal alien removal programs. Republicans Yes, Democrats No, so controlling illegals and the criminal aliens are not the Democrat's problem.

3/13/08 Vote 61: On the Motion: Motion to Waive C.B.A. Cornyn Amdt. No. 4242; To protect the family budget by providing for a budget point of order against legislation that increases income taxes on taxpayers, including hard-working middle-income families, entrepreneurs, and college students. Republicans Yes, Democrats No, so the Democrats claim they want to watch out for middle and lower incomes but this is their votes.

3/13/08 Vote 66: S CON RES 70: Allard Amdt. No. 4232; To pay down the Federal debt and eliminate government waste by reducing spending 5 percent on programs rated (as mandated under the Government Performance and Results Act (Public Law 103-62)) ineffective by the Office of
Management and Budget Program Assessment Rating Tool. Republicans Yes, Democrats No, So they don’t want to cut down on wasteful spending either.

This is from a site that post the voting of congress memebers and the parties votes. It show how their party as a whole feels and how the person voting voted. So this is what Democrats actually feel as versus Republicans and you can go look it up and see the same results. By the way Obama and Biden voted with their party on these Bills.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members
/o000167/votes/page3/