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The argument is not about smoking or not smoking, bars closing or not closing.  It's about what the government can and can't tell you what you can and can't do.  When smoking ban proponents, mandatory paid sick day proponents, and politicians in general talk about "The Greater Good" they're talking about, at best...socialism.  At worst...communism. This is not what America is supposed to be about.  THAT'S why feathers get ruffled when things like this come up.  The government, democrats in particular, wants all Americans to be dependant on the government for everything!  We'll tell you what to wear, where to work, what to eat, when to sleep.  What is healthy, when your sick. What car you can drive and where to drill.  So go play your XBOX and let us take care of everything for you.  Personal freedom and responsiblitiy are overrated anyway.  Why don't you just go back to sleep!  And don't forget to vote for change!!!
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dangle read my blog view my photos
Aug 13, 2008 | 10:05 AM

Actually, you vote for who they want you too also, ie. party nominations.....

But yeah, in this country, your pretty much free to do what the government SAYS you can do.

So much for democracy lol

Katbird read my blog view my photos
Aug 13, 2008 | 10:33 AM

It's going to stay that way as long as consumerism works to distract any logical thought. Not only the government, it's coporations also telling Americans what's fashionable, what electronics you need and what to eat. It's all control and lack of the ability to think for themselves. Some people need to be led.
I agree completely, garageman and dangle.
We aren't as free as we are led to believe.

garageman read my blog view my photos
Aug 13, 2008 | 11:01 AM

Democracy? We don't live in a democracy, we live in a democratic republic...the only place you can win the popular vote and lose the election. Zzzzz...

Earwig read my blog
Aug 13, 2008 | 12:52 PM

There is only one group who is to blame for the state of affairs we find ourselves in, and yes Kbird, it's because so many have allowed themselves to be lead as sheep rather than taking the responsibility of their vote seriously. When people state their reason for backing Obama as because "he has kind eyes", or "he has a nice smile" you know we are in deep trouble. Too many have no concept of how important this responsibilty truely is, and are willing to chose a president who spews platitudes yet has no real plan, much less an idea as to how to lead this country. gman you couldn't have titled this thread any better.

aaro-nf read my blog view my photos
Aug 13, 2008 | 5:13 PM

garageman, all i have to say is that you did a great job on the posting of this blog.

F0x6Fan read my blog view my photos
Aug 13, 2008 | 5:18 PM

I smoke.

I have this sinking feeling that soon the government will tell me i can't drink alcohol either. Not even in a Bar anymore!

hahnmeister read my blog
Aug 13, 2008 | 8:36 PM

I am neither a believer in total liberalism, nor a believer in total capitalism. I think we can all agree that neither system can exist on its own, and that the two NEED to work together. We simply dont live in a world we once did (agrarian farmer society) where one's actions dont affect another's... as population density increases, more socialism is really the only solution. If you really want to have that 'utopia', then you might actually consider the most liberal action of them all... population control. If we could cut the US population by say, 30% in the coming generations (by taxing the crap out of every newborn after the first one)... then yes, the consolidation of wealth and lowering of demand on the open market would make quality of life issues easier to handle with just the open market.

But to keep it simple, Ill make my point clearly... Democracy, or rather, a 'Representative Republic' (what the US is), IS a form of socialism... no matter how conservative or liberal you make it... Democracy by definition is socialist. All that socialism means is that a group of people come together and decide how to spend their money. If they decide to not spend ANY money together, that is still socialism because they decided on it TOGETHER. The problem with most views on Socialism is that we have been trained to react by instinct and say its 'liberal pinko commie soviet' type stuff. Its not. The US government, by definition, is Socialist. The irony is that Cuba, USSR, or China are not actually socialist... because the people themselves do not have a say in how they

hahnmeister read my blog
Aug 13, 2008 | 8:37 PM

spend the money. The problem is that they are dictatorships with only a 'single party'. Now, you could make an argument that the more parties we have to pick from, the more democratic we would be (I believe its time for a three party system myself, and that alone would solve most of the partisan problems we have), and with only two parties, we are pretty close to being a single-party government anyways (esp since neither Republicans or Dems are more liberal than one another, just with different issues).

But lets look at all the good things that Socialism has provided us in the US, and what it could do for us in the future:

-City transportation, bus lines, etc. Sure, who wouldnt rather have a car... but is that really a good idea... or even possible?

-Military/Defense: This includes the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. These are SOCIALIZED people, and over half of your federal taxes go to making sure we have more military spending than the REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED! Yet I dont think I would find many 'conservatives' arguing for less military spending these days... funny enough. Still, where would be be without the totalitarian revamp for WW1 and WW2... where the enemy was painted as 'evil', and the government took over the private markets to produce tanks, planes, and ammo? That was the extreme, but still, now, all of our national defense is SOCIALIZED. Would you rather it was contracted out by private corporations to Blackwater?!?! I dont think so. Corporate armies would truly be the last straw in making William Gibson's Cyberpunk genre come true to life.

-Police

hahnmeister read my blog
Aug 13, 2008 | 8:37 PM

Protection: Imagine a 'pay as you need' private alternative... or what privatizing this would mean... murderers would go free if you couldnt pay for the police investigation. Perhaps a private insurance solution would be a good idea, but recent conservative laws have made it hard to even hold insurance companies to their deals... if they determine that providing the benefit is too expensive, they might just refund your premiums and say 'tough luck' like they are doing now already. You might call 911 and insist on your insurance provider before sending a squad out, or a credit-card number. Not to mention, with a 'for-profit' insurance system, you are likely to be paying much higher premiums, so entire sections of a city would simply lose their police protection.

-Fire protection: yes, this is socialized. If it was private, many of the implications seen with the Police example would also hold true... perhaps the insurance would deny your claim until you can provide proof of fire?!?! Lol. But you get the point. So if your neighbor's house burns down, but he doesnt have fire insurance, or cant pay the price, does that mean your home should be put at risk then too because the fire department wont help your neighbor? Who are you gonna sue for damages then... your neighbor who died in the fire because nobody would save him?

-Socialized Medicine: Yes, we actually do socialize it... its called Medicaid. How else would the enderly and retired folks get insurance? No private company would touch them unless they could pay $10,000 a year for it, and even still... As

hahnmeister read my blog
Aug 13, 2008 | 8:43 PM

it is, we socialize MOST of our medicine anyways. Im FOR HR 676 myself because I believe it would free up employers from having to pay for it, and provide a better system of care for less money than we pay now... that is all proven. Sure, we might pay more taxes (some of us), but we also wouldnt have to pay for insurance. I would rather pay an extra $400 in taxes every year than $1200 for 'all-inclusive' insurance that is crap anyways... wouldnt you? The problem with the 'health-insurance' industry is that it still allows thousands to die every year. Its like calling 911 and having them ask you first how you are going to pay the bill. In many ways, its just plain murder. 45 million in the US cant afford insurance, and so they end up costing the rest of us more anyways when they show up at the ER and cant pay (private companies pass that on to those who do pay). And on top of that, a good deal of what we pay in a private, for-profit system is to make the company profits... because they have a fiscal responsibility to their share-holders to make a profit. And when you really need insurance, then you lose it. If you get cancer and cant work, your insurance lapses... or the company can just plain deny you. We socialize medicine for a majority as it is... kids, old, etc... why not include the rest? We currently pay 4x PER CAPITA what those in the UK or France do for health care... and we dont even insure all the people (which costs us more). We all need healthcare... dont we? Many US families are just one 'major illness' away from going bankrupt... not good. Its

hahnmeister read my blog
Aug 13, 2008 | 8:44 PM

a huge liability. Providing this service to all means more 'liberty' is restored than taken away IMO, and the resulting 'freedom' on the open market to spend what would otherwise be going to insurance companies, or be set aside 'just in case someone gets sick' is no longer needed.

-Social Security: Those who 'borrowed against' this system should be sued unless they can replace the money themselves. The SS system was fine until other agencies saw this as a 'pool' that they could borrow from.
SS was made seperate from federal tax system for a reason, yet politicians still 'dipped', yet, SS in itself is a good idea. If kept how it should be, how it was intended, it provides an income to you when you retire... no matter if your investments flopped, your kids stole your money, you had to pay medical bills for cancer, etc.

-Education: How many of you went to a University or Public School? How about we take that away and see how much you know? Sure, public schools arent the best sometimes, but still much better than the alternative of NOTHING. Dont forget, Universities are also socialized... so UW-Milwaukee, Madison, Penn State, Berkeley, etc... Sure, you have to pay a few thousand to go there every year, but thats only about 1/3 the total cost per year... the rest is provided by the government. How many of you would have gotten an education at all, or have gone to college without socialized education? Also, keep in mind that many might have gone to a private college... great...but did you still get federal student loans for that college? Even though you went t

hahnmeister read my blog
Aug 13, 2008 | 8:54 PM

to a private school, it was very likely that you were only able to afford it due to federal funds.

So is Socialism bad? Hardly. Its up to us in the end after all. Also note how all the blue states tend to be those with higher population density... that should tell you something. Also look at how the blue states are the ones that tend to have the higher percentages of college grads... irony, eh? I agree that several social systems in the US have been broken through partisan bickering and not 'sticking to the f-ing plan'...lol. But when agreed on and implimented, they can provide more than 'the sum of the parts'. Consider this, without Socialism, we never would have had NASA, and we never would have put a man on the moon. In the 60's, the budget for NASA was many times what it is now... about 6% of everyone's federal taxes went to NASA compared to the 1/6 of a percent now. Sometimes, you need the combined commitment of an entire population over multiple generations to achieve an advancement.

Consider this: internet was not only a socialist invention, but much of its current infrastructure is due to government funding. Without 'socialism', this blog, which you can use to be critical of all things socialized, wouldnt exist.

Also consider this: There is an irony at work in the US. According to a study of federal funds done state-by-state: It turns out that those states that are more liberal, or 'blue' actually get less of that federal money back. On the other hand, those states that are more 'red' and conservative, tend to get a much higher amount back t

hahnmeister read my blog
Aug 13, 2008 | 8:55 PM

than what they spend. So pretty much, the liberal states are getting screwed while the conservatives are reaping the rewards... go figure! Perhaps if 'truth in taxation by state' were implimented (more spending means more benefits) many of the current problems would be solved.

hahnmeister read my blog
Aug 13, 2008 | 8:57 PM

Earwig, I agree with you though... the people have pretty much gone to sleep and turned over the power to the politicians. I think we need to adopt the same law Australia has... voting is done on a 4-day mandatory holiday, and if you dont vote, you get a fine. It works... the government there fears the people, not the other way around.

hahnmeister read my blog
Aug 13, 2008 | 9:06 PM

Also consider how taxes and other government controls are used to provide market stability. They prevent major crashes. They prevent inflation. They provide security by bailing out lenders...lol.

Government can also be used to boost private economy. The US auto makers for instance... they COULD be making our vehicles more fuel efficient by using say... carbon fiber instead of steel. Truth is, the 'buy in' for CF is high, but if EVERYONE had to use it, it could be done rather cheaply because the development costs would be spread out by the increased artificial demand provided by the government... bringing costs down. This has been true of many other technologies in the past as well which we now enjoy daily. The private market on its own would not have developed these things at anywhere near the same pace. Auto makers in the US actually WANT higher economy standards passed because this would mean a level playing field (so no one company has to stick its neck out and be 'efficient' rather than 'sporty' and lose money in the process) for all. Think about it... where would we be otherwise? The private market itself tends to stagnate unless the a huge demand is created in a short amount of time... not very common.

garageman read my blog view my photos
Aug 14, 2008 | 10:19 AM

Gee...I guess personal freedom and responsibility really ARE overrated!

hahnmeister read my blog
Aug 14, 2008 | 10:24 PM

Nice try... but thats just not the case. Society allows us more personal freedoms at a cost. The idea is that these costs are usually spread out among many so they are minimal (imagine if only some individuals were funding the armed forces), but provide an even greater result than an individual could achieve. The bottom line is, yes, you are giving up some personal freedom, but getting back more in return. This has been shown to be the case in many EU countries in the manner that it is easier to rise in economic class there than here now... seems odd because they pay more taxes, but in the same respect, their employers dont have to pay for medical insurance, so that frees them up. The individual doesnt have to worry about a medical bill making them lose their home either. Heck, when they get done with university, they dont have student loans either. If you are sick of your job and want to train for something better, you can go to free vocational retraining and become an electrician or mechanic. This allows them to keep a very dynamic and tech-savy workforce as well... none of this 'Id take the training but I cant afford it' stuff.

So if you feel that you dont dont want to pay taxes for some things. Perhaps next time Osama wants to fly planes into your back yard, you can just handle that yourself? Or maybe you would rather handle your own medical care from now on... I hope you went to med school!

garageman read my blog view my photos
Aug 15, 2008 | 10:31 AM

hahnmeister...obviously sarcasm is lost on you. I'm not advocating anarchy or suggesting that we don't need police, fire, schools, hospitals, or the military. I'm advocating limits on what is and isn't the government's responsibility to provide for us and the involvement of individuals who need to stand up to government intrusion on our everyday lives. The length of your comments alone is demonstrative of the deeply ingrained need of people who believe as you do to not only drive home your point but to dominate the conversation until the other side capitulates. Just look at the lengths you go to in all your comments on all the threads...go ahead LOOK AT THEM. And you said you were keeping this one simple!! Clearly something inside you compels you to believe that you are right on all accounts and anyone who disagrees must be beaten down in a war of words until they completely believe as you believe or at least are silenced. The point of MY blog is that we have become complacent and the squeaky wheel gets the grease...and look who's making the most noise! It's not called the silent majority for nothing.

Earwig read my blog
Aug 15, 2008 | 10:46 AM

Your mistake Hmeister is that you believe the U.S. should fall in line with the European style of Government. Our mistake is that we believe we haven't begun that transformation.

There are always going to be those who think we as a nation do not do enough to help the "down trodden" and will continually call for more, more, more to bring them up to the same lifestyle enjoyed by those who work for what they have. Problem is, in most cases, no matter what is done to help, it's never enough and it does nothing to change their social standing. Doesn't it strike you as odd that these folks don't have the same desire to "earn" what they want as they do to have everyone else give it to them? If they have the time to stand in line for freebies, why don't they have the time to attend classes that will provide them skills to earn their desires? In America there is no reason nor hurdles that keep these people from getting the education that will provide for them, it is self inflicted. Why not spend more time changing these people's mindset so they can become productive rather than try to "educate" those who choose to spend their hard earned money on legal products how socially unacceptable they are being? That is where the rub lies, this Government was not set up to "interfere" in the way people choose to legally live their lives, or consume the products, and services offered. Nor was it set up to be the functionary every fringe group who is offended by those who believe in personal choice. Once we get back to the expectation of everyone accepting personal responsibility for their

Earwig read my blog
Aug 15, 2008 | 10:47 AM

lives, and get Government to quit trying to influence every aspect of our lives, we all will be better off.

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Navy veteran, Milwaukee business owner, resident & cancer survivor. My name is Dan Sebring and I'm a 2010 Candidate for Congress in the 4th Congressional District. You can learn more about me at dansebringforcongress.com

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