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Many people are missing a subtle but relevant point in relation to what is happening at MPS. The police presence is something you see as a positive development, and one which should be greeted with open arms by all. You also remark that in suburban schools, it is common and people are comfortable with it. But you must consider the difference in perspective of different populations of student and parents, created by the role police have played in their own lives and in their own neighborhoods. The simple fact is that 80% of MPS students are black, and unless you care to ignore the reality that law enforcement has a long way to go in terms of PR within African American society, you can see how they would be treated with apprehension. Also the MPS system was not de-segregated until 1978. That means that the black students at MPS schools right now, are the children and grandchildren of our citizens who suffered the economic and social disparities of institutionalized racism and were treated like criminals, just for being black, through the 60's and 70's and into today. Do you really expect that they will be teaching their children that the COPS are the "good guys" now, after what they have been through?
In contrast, despite much gain in social equity over the last few decades, the majority of suburban school students are white, and as we know the role of police in suburban communities has always been to ensure that those citizens who pay the most in property taxes and contribute the most to our economy, are well protected from the criminal element created by the inner-city
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Katbird read my blog view my photos
Feb 9, 2007 | 5:27 PM

Although much of what you say is true, it is not fair to generalize the whole population of an area based on a majority. Hopefully the presence of the police will become welcomed by those who wish the laws to be enforced and want safety. Crimes are less likely to happen when there is police presence. Hence the reason they are at the suburban schools, as you stated, for safety from the criminal element.

tonguebath2007 read my blog
Feb 9, 2007 | 8:28 PM

I believe that the police has a poor "PR" problem" with the black community because the majority of crimes being committed in the city of Milwaukee is by African Americans.

If I were a cop I too would have a poor opinion about the black community, considering all the shootings, drivebys, robberies, carjackings, domestic disputes and school and mall riots are committed by this dempgraphic!

I have said this a million times on this website: STOP blaming police for the problems in the black community.

Blame poverty, a lack of education, a breakdown in family, and a poor work ethic. It has NOTHING to do with the colour of skin; these people ~ who happen to be black ~ have a poor attitude and outlook on life. Period.

Wisdom_Lover read my blog
Feb 10, 2007 | 11:36 AM

Actually, toungebath, cops have bad PR with blacks, because of a history of unfair treatment of blacks, and the presence of police officers, who, like you, think it is OK to have a negative opinion of all black people, because of higher crime rates in predominantly black neighborhoods.

People do not resort to criminal behavior, just because they are black. A certain percentage of ALL people who live in poverty and desperation, will turn to crime, no matter what color they are. If there is more crime where there are more blacks, it is because more blacks are forced to live sub-standard conditions than other ethnic groups.

Also, I did not say that cops are to blame for the problems in the "black community" only their reputation there. The fact that there IS a "Black" community, and other populations, labeled as separate from the majority culture, is what is to blame for most of societies problems, period.

Until there is one community which cares equally for all of its citizens, these problems will continue...

Marine109 read my blog
Feb 10, 2007 | 4:50 PM

Excuses, Excuses, Excuses!!!!!!!!!!

Wi_Sports_Fan read my blog view my photos
Feb 11, 2007 | 2:37 PM

Actually, cops don't have a long way to go with the blacks in terms of PR. I am tired of hearing about the pity party with blacks. It gets old after awhile. You have to look at the way many blacks look at authority...when you are disrespectful to authority such as police, there will usually be a punishment. I don't mean beating them up either.

Being a female police officer, black males really don't have much respect for a woman in authority. That is part of their society. However, you disrespect me, or act ignorantly, there will be consequences to their actions. Usually resulting in one or more tickets.

If I have a black person telling me that the only reason that I stopped them is because they are black, minding you I work nights so it is hard to tell, they will automatically get a ticket from me. The race card doesn't work on me nor will it ever work on me. I have black friends and they don't need the pity party like many of the black society.

The reason that people think that police have bad PR with blacks is because of people like Mcghee in Milwaukee. He is the most racist person out there so that gets all the publicity with blacks. There are many white people that have bad PR with cops as well. That is because they led the life of crime. Black, white, or other race, you made that choice.

If you want to teach your children that the cops are good guys, then that comes back to parenting. If the parents hate the cops because they were P.O.S. growing up and deserved all the punishment that they got, the cops then did nothing wrong. Unfortunate

tonguebath2007 read my blog
Feb 11, 2007 | 5:21 PM

Eloquently put, WI_Sports_Fan!

charmsrgood read my blog
Feb 11, 2007 | 6:56 PM

i agree with sports fan and tongue bath....and by the way wisdom, tonguebath did not say it was because they are black but i will say this good luck with getting a unified community when so many people like yourself wisdom focus more on excuses for the reasons why people act the way they do instead of making them responsible for their actions and trying to lift them up to want better.....this city is just sickning with all the splitting of the races and blaming people such as the police that want a better place to live....not sayin there are no bad cops because there are but i have seen it time and time again that is someone does something wrong and the cops try to deal with it the cop is wrong....here is a story for you to chew on......i was at a battery where the person that was the aggressor cut himself while hurting someone else...well he had an arterial bleed and was flinging his blood everywhere and began resisting both medical treatment and arrest he began to fight with the police with a massive bleeding arm...which is dangerous to everyone aroun....they finally got him to the ground to arrest him where he then began to spit and try to bite....when they put the spit hood on him he began screaming police abuse and things to that extent so yeah lets take everything a criminal says as truth shall we and please tell me wisdon what is the excuse for that guy...poverty....please.

robinsam read my blog view my photos
Feb 11, 2007 | 9:21 PM

Black, white, police, citizen. THe problem is not either. THe problem is hate and sin. Jesus did not descriminate on the cross. He died so that man could live - and live free from all this hate. I enjoy Fox 6, but all I notice on these blogs time after time is black white Milwaukee, suburb debates. It is sickning with all this hate. Wisdom, I understand what you are talking about. No one should even deny that some police are evil to the black community. No one can deny that many black people have brought it on themselves. But we are not all bad and we should not all suffer. For god sakes, I am scared of the police and I have never done anything to bring that on. I am scared because of how the media potrays them and not to mention how the WFB police and the Wauwatosa police have treated me. I hate going to the JCC in fear of getting a ticket.

Wi_Sports_Fan read my blog view my photos
Feb 11, 2007 | 10:45 PM

robinsam--in what ways have police treated you poorly? Just like their are bad police, there are bad people in every profession and not just police. The only police department you see on the news in a negative light is Milwaukee PD. Just like you said, some police are evil to the black community and that role can be reversed as well. However, I completely agree with you that everyone should be treated fairly without color of skin being an issue. I treat everyone fair in my profession, but many of the black community don't like a woman in authority...are we supposed to just take it??? That way we don't have to worry about discrimination or racism???
People need to realize that cops don't just give tickets for the sake of writing them...there has to be a reason there. Not only that, why would we want to add more unnecessary paperwork if we don't have to?

upnorth read my blog
Feb 11, 2007 | 11:16 PM

Did I hear an echo in the room? I second what toungebath said. Eloquently put WI_Sports_Fan on both of your posts.

GITRDONE read my blog view my photos
Feb 12, 2007 | 12:33 AM

While I respect your attitude toward race Sports Fan, not ALL cops feel that way. I lived in Muskego for a long time and listened to my scanner frequently. While walking my dog one evening (with scanner in hand), I witnessed two police cars pull over a car with 2 black males and throw them violently on the hood of the vehicle. They pulled them over for "suspicion" and detained them for over an hour. Then they gave them an escort out of the city. I have lived in Milwaukee and Muskego, I've pretty much seen it all. Not ALL cops are as upholding to the law as they TRY to portray. Sad to say, but true. While I don't condone the behavior as of lately with Milwaukee's youth, I am absolutely ashamed of the behavior on the part of dirty cops.

Wisdom_Lover read my blog
Feb 12, 2007 | 11:10 AM

I tried to warn you that there was a subtlety to the the point I was making, that you were likely to miss, but most of you just walked right to into it with your blinders on anyway. Right is right and the rule of law is designed to maintain peace and order, for the benefit of all, but that does not change the truth of the two points:

1)Social and economic disparities are the underlying cause of most domestic crime. this is a sociological fact. You may as well argue with a signpost!

2)Every instance where authority is abused to the detriment of a minority citizen, (under any definition) it weakens respect for authority among the citizens who identify in group status, with that person. This fact also is historical and not arguable.

And, a point that many of you seem to assume that I would not support is that everyone is responsible for their own actions and equally bound to a responsibility to know the law and obey it. This too is an obvious fact but one that it seems I must now make in defense of my position, if there is to be any rational discussion here.

What I am suggesting is that people in authority and close to deciding powers of authority, over all of our lives, especially you police and military types who are so frustrated by people subverting and attacking the system, need to take a more objective view of the causes of human behavior.

You only have as much free will as you are free from ALL of the things that are the causes of your behavior.

Your view of the meaning and value of authority as it is established, and enforced, is as much biased by

Wisdom_Lover read my blog
Feb 12, 2007 | 11:13 AM

cont..is as much biased by the fact that you feel you are "on its side" as the opinion of the people who feel oppressed by it.

stop being so defensive, so that we can work together to solve the reasons why the system doesn't work as well as it could for all people.

GITRDONE read my blog view my photos
Feb 12, 2007 | 11:25 AM

I was not claiming you are a bad cop. All I said was THERE ARE BAD/DIRTY cops that DO discriminate against race.

Wi_Sports_Fan read my blog view my photos
Feb 12, 2007 | 12:47 PM

but remember it isn't just cops that discriminate...we are held to a higher standard so everything we do is scrutinized. I don't stop on mere "suspicion"...there has to be a probable cause reason to stop. Society would be a much better place if we didn't have people looking at the color of a persons skin, rather look at what is on the inside and from there decide what you think about that person.

GITRDONE read my blog view my photos
Feb 12, 2007 | 1:19 PM

I know that it's not just cops that discriminate. But those cops that do are jerks because they took an oath to serve and protect. They are supposed to be law enforcement people that we can ALL trust. It's cops like the bas***ds that beat Frank Jude that should be screened for. When they took the osth, they were not sworn in to serve and protect whom they choose. If they have any form of discriminations against ANY race, they should not even apply. And just because YOU only stop a car with probable cause, does not mean they ALL do. And in my personal opinion, Muskego cops are the worst offenders of this. They have a "If you aint white, you aint right" attitude. That stinks. I am sick and tired of the superiority thing they portray. I still agree that Milwaukee's youth is in utter chaos and that racial discrimination is skyrocketing, but racial discrimination froom our police officers is also at an all-time high and it HAS to stop.

GITRDONE read my blog view my photos
Feb 12, 2007 | 1:21 PM

sorry...typo above. I wrote "took the osth" it should read OATH.

Katbird read my blog view my photos
Feb 12, 2007 | 2:18 PM

Wi...you are truly wise beyond your years. It seems everytime I read a post and think, "wow, that person has a good point", it's you who posted it. I'm glad you are an officer. Thank you.

Katbird read my blog view my photos
Feb 12, 2007 | 2:23 PM

GITRDONE...I understand your frustration , but think of how many thousands of officers there are and how few are ignorant, arrogant donkeys.
And , isn't it good when we catch these "bad" cops and get them off of the force? I have met and talked with many police officers and I can tell you that there are way more that respect their position and try to be fair than there are the ones that treat being an officer like gaining god status.
So much of this whole racial debate has focused on the bad. Let's try building up the good, so the good stays good. It's like when parents always discipline a child for bad behavior and hardly ever reward the good. You need both.

robinsam read my blog view my photos
Feb 12, 2007 | 8:45 PM

Well WI, I was once pulled over in Wauwatosa and was told the reason was because I did not have a Wauwatosa, residential, looking car. In WhiteFish Bay I was given a ticket for 300.00 for going 10 over by following traffic. I hope to god that Kat Bird did not make a judgement on all cops based on some she has met. I watched a documentary on HBO about racist cops and they said they hated because they saw all the crime come from the getto. Well that is where they work. I am a teacher and there is just no way that I would treat my white students any different than my black students. I love them all. WI. We are professionals and held to a higher standard. How about considering that. THe higher you rank in the community the more accountable you are. If anyone on this forum is saying there are few poor cops, wow. WI no one is saying that you aren't a great cop. But honey, do you think that white people have total respect for you? THe police and MPS will forever have to justify themselves. Oh here is food for thought - that child molestering woman was too pretty to go to jail and there was a white man that was too short to go to jail. Is there a too black to go to jail????

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