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Mayor Michael Nutter revoked the license for the Sugarhouse Casino slated to be built on the Delaware River Waterfront.  The Mayor said the original license was granted in error. 

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auntcrystal2006
Jan 25, 2008 | 7:45 AM

Who the hell is NutHead to come in and change something that has already been agreed to..I hope sugarhouse fights and gets this casino built..i will stand by them..Not only will it make philly a better place it will also give jobs to people..why should we have to travel to AC when we could of went right to delaware ave..

ERiiN19134
Jan 25, 2008 | 7:54 AM

WOW. THIS ISN'T WHAT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE ARE THEIR LIVES ASKED FOR.
WE WANT IT!..We've been waiting for this for a long, long time! ...IT'S ALL THE "NEW COMERS" TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DON'T WANT IT. AND THEY SHOULD HAVE NO SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS. UNLESS THEY HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 5 YEARS OR MORE.
THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS TO TAKE PLACE, WILL TRIPLE OUR PROPERTY VALUE, AND IMPROVE THE ENVIROMENT!.....ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY SORRY THEY VOTED FOR NUTTER , NOW.
I KNOW I AM!

yobadabing
Jan 25, 2008 | 8:13 AM

The local folks in Fishtown and Port Richmond are generally in favor of the casino. The folks against are johnny-come-lately yuppies who haven't lived in the neighborhoods very long or won't be there long.

Ask the folks who comment where they live.

MrWes
Jan 25, 2008 | 8:23 AM

Why not move one of the casinos to the now doomed Spectrum location?

MrWes
Jan 25, 2008 | 8:25 AM

It seems ridiculous that Philadelphia stands to realize tax relief as a result of casinos throughout the commonwealth but many Philadelphians reject the casino proposals within the city limits. The concerns about crime, traffic, and other quality of life issues exist now, without the casinos. Why not work with the developers to design and maintain surrounding areas and do what the city cannot afford to do without them? Parts of the waterfront and surrounding areas are barren and play host to elicit behaviors. Folks would rather allow that to continue???? Go Figure.

MrWes
Jan 25, 2008 | 8:25 AM

It seems ridiculous that Philadelphia stands to realize tax relief as a result of casinos throughout the commonwealth but many Philadelphians reject the casino proposals within the city limits. The concerns about crime, traffic, and other quality of life issues exist now, without the casinos. Why not work with the developers to design and maintain surrounding areas and do what the city cannot afford to do without them? Parts of the waterfront and surrounding areas are barren and play host to elicit behaviors. Folks would rather allow that to continue???? Go Figure.

crazyladyjor read my blog
Jan 25, 2008 | 8:32 AM

For once this city has a business moving in instead of moving out! What is wrong with our new Mayor? An opportunity to generate new jobs and reduce unemployment. Much needed revenue to hire more cops to rid our city of crime. I think the positives outweight the negatives. Sorry but I didnt think traffic was more important than unemployment. Get your priorities in order Mayor NUTTER!!!

yogibear1
Jan 25, 2008 | 8:35 AM

All I keep hearing over and over is the whining about the traffic the casino will bring. Funny how no one complained when the IKEA went up, which quadrupled the traffic on Delaware Avenue! Where were the whiners then? Hopefully, SugarHouse will win the battle we are creating for ourselves. Let's be known more for just our crime rate - bring in jobs, some new tourism, etc. If you dont like the traffic, go a different way!

Mitch_Deighan
Jan 25, 2008 | 8:36 AM

The SugarHouse site is situated on the border of Fishtown and Northern Liberties...
From earliest pioneering days, this area's rebirth and eventual dynamic growth have been the direct result of risktaking...one investor after another, betting on the future of these neighborhoods. Now, when the biggest development in neighborhood history is designated here by an act of the State Legislature, an even greater return on investment is being repeatedly delayed. No big gains without risks, and Philadelphia needs some major boosts.

PortRichmondAMC
Jan 25, 2008 | 8:38 AM

I am shocked at Nutter's action against Sugarhouse. I would think he is well aware of the jobless situation in this city as well as many other parts of the country these days. Simply take a ride through Kensington and North Philly corridor and check out all the empty buildings, warehouses etc. Most of these employed people years ago and now are just empty fire traps, homeless hangouts and eye sores in general. Please show me just a couple of examples of jobs that would be hurt if the casino is built. It's not like companies are knocking the city over trying to build here. The Delaware river waterfront around Sugarhouse vicinity is a total wasteland. I worked for a major employer in Philly for 22 years. Thousands of jobs were lost and plant remains empty. (Budd Plant Hunting Park Ave) Traffic as they complain about it now is getting NO better anyway. I belive the casino will address traffic problems in the future. Also many smaller businesses will "spawn" from a functioning casino. Tax revenue will be increased tremendously. Personally I would appreciate a job paying a decent wage. I know for certain there are hundreds of peopole in the slumping building trade who could use this shot in the to arm to the local economy.

Denny "B"

PortRichmondAMC
Jan 25, 2008 | 8:46 AM

Are the whiners going to surface when they demolish the Spectrum and put in a complex on that site ?? A shopping complex with a hotel. Oh My,, the kids can hang out there. Their morals will be corrupted. (being smartass here) And by the way. All the petitions to stop the Wal-Mart from being built in the Port Richmond area.... and abra-cadabra.......... we have a Target store. Please, Please give me a Wal Mart and an Office Depot too please. I hate having to go up the Blvd. to hit Wal Mart or Office Supply type store.

Denny "B" (strikes again)

pz25
Jan 25, 2008 | 8:50 AM

Good for the mayor!!! they dont need no more casinos only ones to suffer are the poor kids, while the parents are out wasteing money!!!

PortRichmondAMC
Jan 25, 2008 | 9:00 AM

The poor kids will end up benefiting from the tax revenue to the city. If their parents are out wasting money they are hurting themselves. The Mayor is hurting education. He is hurting people who are proud to work and not collect welfare. I also see that pz25 has not had the benefit of a real education. If I recall correctly schools teach us to spell !!!!!!!!!!!!

Dalonger
Jan 25, 2008 | 9:39 AM

I have yet to hear an argument against the casinos that makes sense. Let me break it down, nice and simple:

1. Traffic: The traffic already sucks, it won't get any worse. There might be slightly more congestion, but parking will be plentiful for the casino, and the majority of people going to the casino will be elderly folks riding in on buses.

2. Riff raff: Again, the majority of casino dwellers will be the elderly (case in point, the Chester casino). Right now, the location is a big empty lot, where crack vials and heroin needles are plentiful. Hmm, crackheads or the elderly...gee, which do I want down there?

3. Property value: Everyone knows the area surrounding Sugarhouse is being rejuvinated and the property values are rising. The casino will enhance this spike in property value.

4. Taxes and revenue: The casino will contributing MILLIONS of dollars to the city's schools, and will provide HUGE tax breaks for those who live within city limits (including ME, who lives a 5 minute walk from where the casino WILL be built). Ever hear anyone complain about city taxes in their paycheck??

I could (sort of) understand if the casino was going in an area that was already built up, or if historical or significant buildings had to be torn down in order for it to go up. Why wouldn't people want a nice waterfront, like NYC, Boston, Chicago, and Baltimore? Wise up Philly! And wise up Nutter!

phillyJim
Jan 25, 2008 | 10:47 AM

"Fail"-adelphia politics strike again.

What's the matter Mr. Nutter? You realized that the slice of the graft pie you were expecting wasn't bigger than Mr. Street's?

Your city council anti-casino cronies, who probably have their summer homes in the Atlantic City suburbs and who are probably getting help paying their mortgages from AC casino corporations to keep the PA competition to a minumum, getting greedier?

And you Fishtown and South Philadelphia yuppies who bought their properties in the hopes that the casinos would buy them out. What happened? You weren't offered the amount that you think the house was worth so that you could sell out and then slither back to your suburbs?

Sugar House and Foxwoods! Do yourselves a favor and let the city push you out. Take your $50,000,000 license application fees and move on to a more appreciative neighborhood (Bridesburg, maybe [did you ever hear of the Arsenal?]) or Pennsylvania municipality.

Let Philadelphia slowly sink into obscurity.

hubman1
Jan 25, 2008 | 11:11 AM

Casinos do not belong near homes, period. Ther are alternate locations for the SugarHouse and Foxwoods Casinos that make far more sense.

These slots barns will never be built on the proposed locations. For the unions to get the jobs, for the people to get jobs, for the City and State to get the revenue and for the investors to get rich; thay are going to have to agree to move.

They cannot build without riparian rights; they will not get riparian rights with the entire Philadelphia delegation united in opposition.

These are facts folks. When the hysteria dies down and re-siting discussions begin, there will be progress on the casinos; until then nothing will happen and they will not get built, period

No retreat; no surrender

NorthernLibertine
Jan 25, 2008 | 11:39 AM

I applaud Mayor Nutter for injecting some sanity into this process, for standing up to the casino bullies and restoring democratic principles.
I live in Northern Liberties and I know that residents here are overwhelming OPPOSED to the SugarHouse casino so close to our parks, schools, homes and churches. We would like to see smart, neighborhood-friendly development on our waterfront.
Thank you Michael Nutter!

762gunner
Jan 25, 2008 | 2:09 PM

All you need to do is visit Las Vegas or Atlantic City to see the lack of social benefit. More crime, more slums, prostitutes, drugs and on and on. New jersey's supposed revenue benefit?, they're economy is a shambles. Traffic? You cannot make a smooth trip down Columbus Blvd now. It takes 20 minutes to take a 2 minute trip to Super Fresh. Where are the new lanes going to go?, In the channel of the Delaware river?.This is strictly a bad idea. Casinos have their place,just not on the river.

PortRichmondAMC
Jan 25, 2008 | 5:41 PM

How many of the people complaining about the Sugarhouse being on the river have walked the river from Nothern Li9berties to Bridesburg, Other than Penn Treaty park there is nothing but trash and unkept land. Is there anyone there hiring people? No!! Is there anyone there bringing money into the city? No!!!
Look around you. How many homeless are there in Philadelphia? How many people who are without jobs but would like to work? How many children are getting a proper education? Parents don't seem to care and those that do have to take their children out of Catholic Schools because they can't afford the tuition.
Instead of allowing businesses to come into the city and provide money and opportunities people complain. These people must have money.
I noticed when Dave and Busters went up they ended up having landing docks. When is the last time you heard of D & B losing money, causing crime, leading to prositution ? There are more children that visit there while their parents eat and drink. Let the casinos in. The majority of us need the money.

762gunner
Jan 25, 2008 | 6:56 PM

If you can't tell the difference between Dave and Busters and a casino maybe you should try and find a job with ex-mayor Street. Most of the people that work in the Atlantic City casinos don't live there. I guess you don't research anything. What I am saying is that there are other ways of promoting these sites that don't involve gambling. If you deny the crime and traffic and quality of life issues then maybe you should travel to one of the cities that have been "helped" by the casinos. The reality is all they have done is destroy what ever was left of already declining neighborhoods.

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