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I am a Chief Law Enforcement Officer for a local department. Since taking over the department I have dismissed several officers that have violated department policy and directives I put in place. Some of which have criminal implications.

I have contacted the supreme law enforcement authorities (F.B.I), but should I go further and inform the future department of why they were let go, or do I have compassion since they have families and small children and not interfere with the hiring process.

What do you think?

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joewathen read my blog view my photos
Jun 26, 2007 | 10:48 PM

Need a dispatcher?? Im thinking of getting a new job

devas_yb_ecarg read my blog view my photos
Jun 26, 2007 | 11:14 PM

I think you should let them know..These officers are the ones putting their family in risk when they decide to do wrong..We don't need police that don't obey the law themselves.

old_as_the_superbowl read my blog view my photos
Jun 26, 2007 | 11:16 PM

I think you already know the answer to your question : )

Kim_Just_Kim read my blog view my photos
Jun 26, 2007 | 11:24 PM

I have never been in law enforcement, but I can say that in a management or administrative position you cannot be effective and be everyone's friend at the same time. Most people have no idea how difficult a position this can be.

Most human resource policies prohibit discussion of the circumstances under which a person is terminated. I would advise you to look into this before taking any steps at all.

I had to read your post a couple times before I realized the "future department" you're referring to will be a new position for these officers you have terminated in a different jurisdiction.

I sympathize with you being in this position and having to potentially bring about the end of a law enforcement career where innocent family members will most likely pay a high price. I will pray for you to be guided to make the right decision(s).

LadyCardFan read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 12:07 AM

I would think that "if you truly are" a Chief Law Enforcement Officer that you would know the answer which, in case of all legal authorities, is mandated by department policy. Go outside that policy and it's your butt pounding the pavement looking for work and perhaps covering your butt that is a mile high in civil lawsuits.

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Jun 27, 2007 | 12:41 AM

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STLFF12 read my blog
Jun 27, 2007 | 1:51 AM

Is this so called "Law Enforcement Agency" even a respectible police department, or are you in charge of security at Jamestown Mall?? Why would you bring up personnel matters to a bunch of people that do not understand policies of a police department, excuse me, Law Enforcement Agency and expect to find your answers. I wouldn't mess with anyone's livelihood, because if they lose that, YOU may be the one who will be needing the protecting.

jeanette read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 7:37 AM

I agree you already know what you should do if you are an Administrator.

USFemail-retired read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 7:49 AM

Yep, same here.

Get-Real read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 8:14 AM

You do what you think is the best thing. I think you know the answer.

luvthykids read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 2:07 PM

If a person gets fired or quits a job they are protected when they get another job and they call you to ask about the person they are thinking of hiring you can only tell them that they worked there and for how long and thats all. If you give any more than that that ex-employee can sue you if they can prove that you interferred with their job hunting. And if they lie on their application that will come back on them and your safe, so best advise is don't say anything because if they are bad cops it'll get them in the end and it's their fault if they can't protect their family in the right way. Good Luck

stephan read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 2:14 PM

You are letting you emotions get in the way of your job. If you take pride in your work you will follow the same procedures you expect from your officers, or you may be acting outside the law yourself. You know better than anyone exactly what you must do... the right thing. You are a leader and need to lead by example or you will send the wrong message.

This comment comming from an ex manufacturing plant manager with 60+ people I was responable for. The decidions are never easy and you will always be stuck in the middle. Thats the nature of your position. As others have stated, you already know the answer. Good luck in your new position.

Speedy62269 read my blog
Jun 27, 2007 | 2:38 PM

Legally - all personnel records are confidential. You cannot state the exact reason for why an employee was dismissed. If the agency requesting information gets to that line of inquisition then you can remind them to do a full background check on that individual. If they were criminally charged it will show up. But, if an officer was late for work on numerous occasions or had female friends in their squad car etc..etc... you cannot legally disclose that. The Federal Privacy Act is very stict and can get you into trouble when disclosing too much. Word will get around on a bad employee.

becker read my blog
Jun 27, 2007 | 2:57 PM

shame the privacy act lets you hide things that should get you fired. and also would let other companies know why they were fired, so they don't have to put up with the same bull. actually, you probably don't need to ask a question you should already know the answer to.

SikUvTheRite read my blog
Jun 27, 2007 | 3:03 PM

After having seen videos recently of a cop beating up and choking a couple of teenagers for riding a skateboard and "disobeying an officer", a man hit hard by a squad car for running from the police, and right here in St. Lou, a teenager harassed by police simply because he refused to disclose his distination while stopped at a DWI freedom block (let go only after the police realized they were being secretly videotaped), I've reached the conclusion that we have an awful lot of bad officers out there who need to be fired and get more appropriate jobs, perhaps shoveling crap or spreading manure.

And that's not counting my own personal experiences with our finest when doing nothing particularly bad. (Hint: Smartmouthing an officer is the worst offense you can commit, even worse than murder or rape.)

Too many cops use their position of power to boost their ego and be the big men and women that they really aren't in real life.

So fire them all!

We need police officers who are committed to protecting the public safety, not flexing their overblown fat egos.

But I agree there is something suspicious about this posting to begin with.

Did I mention I'm George Bush, the President of the United States?

Speedy62269 read my blog
Jun 27, 2007 | 3:17 PM

LOL - George Bush how dare you sound so intellectual - that's how I know you are not Dubya....

Yeah, there are a lot of cops out there slowly being weeded out by video cameras. The group in St. Louis will now be videotaping a lot of SLPD action.

Officers tend to have an arrogance that needs to be looked into. I believe each should go through a mandatory annual continuing education on stress management and desensitation (sp). They do go through some additional training each year but not a lot on the mental aspect of it.

There are a lot more great/good cops than bad so please assume the cop pulling you over or requesting information is good.

mrmgrady read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 3:24 PM

Chief,

If your directives were congruent with the local, state and federal laws and those officers refused to obey, you have an obligation to the department, to yourself and more importantly, the people you are sworn to serve and protect to have those officers removed. With that said, now you must consider another department hiring those officers. You have to ask yourself, "If I didn't know those officers, would I hire them?" Some states have required licenses for police/sheriff deputies for employment within that state. Does your state have such requirements? If they do, you may want to request the state to either revolk such a license or to have it suspended, pending further investigations.

pamrich read my blog
Jun 27, 2007 | 3:42 PM

As an employer myself, I would very much appreciate a former employer telling me the truth about a candidate, instead of my having to find out the hard way what they're really like. But in this politically-correct age, you probably can't do that because you'll get sued for doing the right thing. Joewathen, O'Fallon's Police Dept. is looking for dispatchers. They need at least five at last count. There's a reason for that. BEWARE because this city's administration is probably the most incompetent, political administration in Missouri right now. That's why they don't have enough dispatchers as it is. The dispatch network is a small community and they've p'd off quite a number of them. They talk.

SikUvTheRite read my blog
Jun 27, 2007 | 3:43 PM

Just for the record, I also believe there are many more good cops than bad. Not that I get pulled over every day, but over the years most of the time the officer is professional and courteous. When they are, I am professional and courteous in return.

Actually, Speedy, I misspelled "distination" in my post just to ensure you would know it really is me, Dubya!! ;)

Okay, I guess that's not enough. I would have had to misspell every other word and use broken and unfinished sentences to really be like GWB.

asmerelda read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2007 | 3:58 PM

What distict are you in?

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