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There's no doubt about it, Hillary Clinton won a decisive victory over Barack Obama in Pennsylvania. But let's make sure we keep things in context: she didn't score a knockout. Her best chance of vying for the nomination was to win Pennsylvania so overwhelmingly to cause a conflagration of doubt over Obama's electability--one that would lead superdelegates to wonder whether she might not be an infinitely stronger candidate to battle McCain in November. But her numbers in Pennsylvania have declined in the last few weeks; in the wake of revelations about Obama's relationship with Pastor Wright, Clinton was ahead by as much as 20 percent in polls. By contrast, her victory last night reflected a lead of 9.4 percent.

Obama, of course, cut into Clinton's lead by outspending her two-to-one on advertisements. But Clinton seriously impaired her own chances by going negative on Obama during the April 16th debate--and probably, too, by her subsequent ads. It's hard to know for sure, but the polls seem to show that these tactics cost her, especially among white college-educated voters who don't like to think of elections as bar brawls.

And so Clinton struggles to remain relevant in the Democratic race. She's still hanging on, waiting for a miracle--whether a huge gaffe on Obama's part, or some sudden halo-inducing episode of her own. For now, undecided superdelegates seem unlikely to ignore Obama's advantage and risk a massive and bloody civil war among Democratic voters.

But Pennsylvania wasn't just about Hillary and Obama. The specter of McCain loomed large as issues about Obama's overall electability were called into question. While Obama was able to curtail Clinton's advantage, he couldn't erase it. And even though he campaigned extensively among white working class Pennsylvanians, he still couldn't crack this constituency. He lost every white working class county in the state. He lost the greater Pittsburgh area by 61 to 39 percent. And, he did poorly among Catholics--losing them 71 to 29 percent. He also lost ground among the upscale white professionals that had helped him win states like Wisconsin, Maryland and Virginia. Some pundits are saying Obama's weaknesses as a general election candidate are growing more obvious with each successive primary; that his suspect associations--whether with Reverand Wright or former Weatherman Bill Ayers or real estate developer Tony Rezko--may have tarnished his image, and ultimately undermine his ability to attract middle class Republicans and Independents.

So, what are your thoughts about the candidates' chances now that Pennsylvania has spoken? Do you think Clinton has any chance of overtaking Obama's delegate lead and capturing the nomination, or do you think Obama's pretty much got it locked up? Finally, do you think either Democrat stands a chance of rising to the challenge of beating McCain come November?

 

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lalawyer read my blog
Apr 23, 2008 | 9:49 PM

Leelila I think Barack will win in June and then lose in November. This is the blog I posted about you a few days ago. They never put it on the front blog page so I don't think you ever got to see it.

http://community.myfoxla.com/blogs/lalawyer/2008/04/21/
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You looked like a model this morning. I love how you look in red. Keep up the great work and keep making my mornings!!!!!!!!!!

craftyguy read my blog
Apr 24, 2008 | 12:51 AM

Clinton is running for 2012..there is no way she can win, and she knows it ,shes staying in just to make sure Obama loses and she gets her chance ..when will people wake up to the Clinton's they are the antithesis of evil and will do anything to win even if it means selling out their own partys choice they care about nothing but themselves ..am i the only person who remembers then governor Bill Clinton when runnig for his partys nomination executing a mentally retarded man to show he was tough on crime..these people put the u in the word suck..there is not one good thing about them none of them not even thier daughter who they have been pimpming off ..

marv read my blog view my photos
Apr 24, 2008 | 1:00 AM

hi leelila, i guess barack will get the democratic nomination rather than hillary. but mcCain will helped by a new a 60-second Hillary spot called "Victims" which focuses on the deaths of three Chicago residents in 2001 by gangs. woman's voice over says "That same year, a Chicago state senator named Barack Obama voted against expanding the death penalty for gang-related murders."

Jay_Kumar read my blog
Apr 24, 2008 | 3:26 PM

I agree with Craftyguy's point - Hillary's only viable strategy at this point is to tarnish Obama so badly that McCain will win in Nov, run a disastrous first term, then lose to Hillary in 2012.

On the other hand, whoever wins the Democratic nomination has a very, very good chance of being President. People forget Bush won on a 51/49 strategy... win by 51%, then govern like you won by 80. The Democrats have more money (which isn't necessarily a predictor of success), and more voters in the critical states.

Do you guys think the GOP can keep Ohio, and all the southern and southwestern states Bush won in 2004, to put together an electoral college victory?

sebar read my blog view my photos
Apr 24, 2008 | 6:13 PM

Forget McCain, he is acting stupid and cutting his own political throat. I am wondering if the Republican Party really wants Hillary, cause the way McCain and "Dubya" Bush are acting, are too destroy their own party which is no longer Conservative. McCain repudiated his own party in place of the Reverend Wright commercial being run by his fellow GOP members. If McCain acts like this when the truth is broadcast in his favor, how will he act as a President? I'm sorry to tell you that he is as bad as the others as far as I am concerned. As for Hillary I believe McCain is acting this way to throw the election to the Bush's friends the Clinton's. Sound far fetched, see what is really happening.

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sebar read my blog view my photos
Apr 24, 2008 | 6:14 PM

I mean it doesn't take an MIT grad to figure out what's going on...pun intended...lol

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craftyguy read my blog
Apr 24, 2008 | 10:50 PM

its third party candidate time someone who is of substance and is really an American someone with roots and ideas not dreams someone who isn't part of the past a anti politician but not insane like Ross Perot was but along that line a true business man or woman of any race who can fix the economy with a military background who understands the troops and will stand up for America against illegal immigration against crime who can walk among us all with no fear what we need is one of us not one of them not an elitist not a politician ..a regular real American..am i the only one who saw the movie Dave?

sebar read my blog view my photos
Apr 25, 2008 | 2:53 PM

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dasvics read my blog view my photos
Apr 27, 2008 | 11:13 AM

Hi Leelila :-)

I think that Hillary will get the nomination and will win the Presidency over McCain. It's like she's unbeatable.
But anyways, that's just what I think. Maybe its cause we're woman, I don't know, but I seem to like her more after every speech I hear her give. Even though she's made mistakes (lied) and I was so upset and disappointed in her, Hillary makes a believer out of me in her capabilities to lead, over Obama's, (I guess that part of her campaigning is working, at least on me) but not more than McCain’s abilities. Its certainly is complicated.

dasvics read my blog view my photos
Apr 27, 2008 | 11:35 AM

One more thing, if I may,
I can understand her (Mrs. Clinton’s) desire to debate Obama again- and this time WITHOUT a moderator? wow. That would be fun to watch since she eats him alive much like a lion does a baby gazelle. No wonder she wants to "debate" (aka, "A whipping session to show Obama whose boss") But...if sweet Obama, whom everyone loves, can't handle a friendly debate with little Mrs. Clinton (a woman) how could he possibly "debate" or discuss world matters with big shots and corrupt world leaders?

Just a thought, and probably why I don’t like him that much anymore. I know that some people hate Hillary cause she’s one tough BLEEP, but I kind of like that in a world leader. Sorry, but weaklings and softies should not apply.

johntheman read my blog
Apr 27, 2008 | 12:28 PM

I THINK HILLARY COULD STILL TAKE IT IT'S JUST NOT LIKELY. BUT MIRACLES HAPPEN. THERE'S NO WAY OBAMA COULD WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION THOUGH. NO WAY. UNLESS MCCAIN GOES BLANK FROM OLD AGE SENILITY AT ONE OF THE DEBATES AND STARTS SPUTTERING AND FOAMING AT THE MOUTH I THINK HE'S PRETTY SAFE. OBAMA IS JUST A PRETTY FACE WITH A GOOD VOCABULARY. KIND OF LIKE YOU LEELILA ONLY HE'S GOT NOTHING UNDERNEATH IT ALL. YOU HAVE PLENTY. WISH I COULD SEE IT ALL. YUM YUM.

statueman read my blog view my photos
Apr 28, 2008 | 9:03 AM

Well... I don't think Obama's got it locked up anymore. I think the whole Wright thing and now the debate thing have taken away his momentum.

He would do well to take the Lincoln-Douglas style debate with Hillary. No moderation would be interesting and I think it would finally tilt the primary one way or the other.

craftyguy read my blog
Apr 28, 2008 | 2:07 PM

Obama has got it completely locked up there is no way Clinton can win..even if there is a preacher in the wood pile!

Leelila_Strogov read my blog view my photos
Apr 28, 2008 | 6:53 PM

lalawyer -- good to know your thoughts, and thank you!

craftyguy -- you may very well be right. i don't know what her deal is at this point. it may be sheer superstition on my part, but until any clinton has risen from the dead at least three times, i don't count them out. maybe you're right and she's just setting her sights on 2012 at this point; whatever the case, she's not giving up, that's for sure.

marv -- i guess we'll see. but yes, the popular wisdom seems to be that even if obama gets the nomination, he'll be hurt by hillary in his war with mccain. pretty ironic.

jay -- i think you're right about the dems having a good chance. so far they've shown up to the polls in far greater numbers than the republicans. if they keep that up, they've got it in the bag. but republicans may wake up once a real fight is on.

sebar -- mccain throwing it to the clintons? i don't know... if they were to become opponents, i don't think they'd be calling one another friends much longer. mccain's got to be smart enough to know that, no???

dasvics -- it's good to have you back!!! i hope your move went smoothly... it's great to get your perspective, i.e. that you think hillary will come through, and should. she is a tough woman; i'll give her that... a quality i also like. and the lie... well, i guess i'm over it. you must have to tell yourself a lot of lies to get yourself through a night with bill. so i guess she's just used to it... ;-)

Leelila_Strogov read my blog view my photos
Apr 28, 2008 | 6:53 PM

johntheman -- might but probably won't... i can buy that. in the meantime, i'll take this as a compliment, and assume you're interested in the underpinnings of my complex and mazy mind. don't be naughty!

statueman -- it's all suddenly coming into question, isn't it... hillary is working hard to build a strong argument with those superdelegates, and she's getting closer...

o0lux0o read my blog view my photos
Apr 28, 2008 | 10:01 PM

Obama is taking the nomination, theres like 5% chance Clinton can take it through super delegates. And as I've stated before, even though I don't like Obama, he's a hell of a lot better than Clinton.

I must say, I'm surprised that your over her lying Leelila. If Clinton is willing to lie about something so stupid as to being shot at, she sure as hell won't hesitate to lie about much else. I can't believe she said she "misspoke". How the hell do you misspeak about something like that? I think she meant to lie hoping no one would look into it. Shes a sneaky, evil... I won't go on. I don't like her at all.

Leelila_Strogov read my blog view my photos
Apr 29, 2008 | 12:42 AM

o0lux0o -- i think one of my fatal flaws is that i get overly irate and indignant when i feel someone's wronged me, and then with time, end up softening almost completely and forgiving those same people very easily, for just about anything. in a way, it's something i fear makes me ultimately spineless (i mean how much dignity can you have when you're so forgiving?). i guess i simply think people are complicated. i think the lie hillary told was an effort to puff herself up when she was feeling vulnerable, kind of the way a peacock or a cat does, either to impress, or when they're scared. put it this way: i do hold the lying against her, but it's less for the lie (after all, it was a pretty harmless one), and more because she was a little ridiculous to think she wouldn't get caught. but i accepted her apology in the PA debate, and think she came across sincerely when she said it's something that embarrassed her. in any case, i don't think she's evil. i think she's somewhat irritating, and is someone who has put her ambitions above many other things in life that in my opinion matter more. but maybe that's why i'll never run for president. when you get to that point, perhaps you've got to have at least a bit of that in your dna to have a shot? i don't know...

dasvics read my blog view my photos
Apr 29, 2008 | 11:48 AM

"one of my fatal flaws is that i get overly irate and indignant when i feel someone's wronged me, and then with time, end up softening almost completely and forgiving those same people very easily, for just about anything"

DITTO!!! Me too :-)

Leelila, I couldn't agree more with your comment. After all, if we're going to hold on to disappointment and be unable to forgive someone, we're going to be very unhappy, because we ALL make mistakes.
I'd rather have Hillary as my leader even though she "misspoke" than Obama who denies his obvious friendship and blatantly lies about it. At least Hillary ADMITTED to having "misspoken" (lied), but Obama went Judas on his beloved Minister who married him and baptized his two children, whom his known for how many years? Oh, but we're supposed to believe that he didn't know what this guys views where? HA HA! I still have a few brain cells left Obama, please don't insult me.

Leelila_Strogov read my blog view my photos
Apr 30, 2008 | 4:23 PM

good to know someone else out there can go from an iron rod to a jellyfish in a span of three weeks! :-)

dasvics read my blog view my photos
May 2, 2008 | 9:44 AM

More like three days :-) By next week I should be supporting Obama. again. I just can't help it, I see the good in everyone.

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Leelila Strogov is a general assignment reporter for Fox 11 News, specializing in investigative and feature reports.

Member Since: 9/25/2007