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Mixed in with all the illegal immigration debate, there are many on the pro-illegal side that carry signs at protests that read, "This land was stolen from us." Or "We were here first."

So lets look at the facts.

1) Archaeological excavation evidence suggests that the first inhabitants to South America arrived with the Pacific Coast migration from Asia, about 10,000 years ago. They settled and built sophisticated civilizations.

2)The Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch and others arrive in the 16th century.  These entities "allocate" all the wealth to send to the mother countries. They rape, kill and force the native inhabitants to conform to there will. And that of the church.

3) Spain establishes a colonial government in Mexico in 1535. This stretches north into CA, UT, NV, AZ, CO, NM and TX.

4) 1836- Americans in TX declare independence

5) 1846- Bear Flag Revolt, CA Americans declare independence

After many battles over the next couple of years, the American Army emerged victorious. Though outnumbered in most every engagement,  sometimes by a 3 to 1 ratio, the U.S. Army moved and  occupied Mexico City.

6) Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo is signed 1848. Mexico cedes 55% of it's territory, AZ, CA, NM parts of CO, NV and UT. In exchange Mexico received 15 million in war reparation.

7) 1853- Land along AZ's Southern border acquired through the Gadsden Purchase.

So I guess my question is this, you pro-illegal aliens carry signs espousing our indignation's against you, why do you not harbour the same feeling toward the Spanish? Or perhaps the French, as it was Maximilian who, not unlike Hitler, had many of your countrymen summarily killed.

The immigrants of America settled the land you question. The majority of the land in question had no inhabitants prior to their arrival. Once it was settled and made live-able, Santa Anna decided he wanted to milk the cow for some taxes. He got SPANKED. Not once or twice but three times!! As that was how many times he was in and out of power.

So the land, even though conquered, was still purchased for 15 million. And if you think that was not enough, keep in mind that another purchase was made on another piece of real estate, 20 years later for less than half that amount. It covers more area and at least has equal natrual resorces, Alaska!!

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aksjfd read my blog view my photos
Apr 19, 2008 | 6:45 PM

You'll be happy to know that I have changed my mind on illegal immigration. I still don't think the wall will work, but I am all for them leaving and getting at the end of the line. I also believe that Joe should go to places where they work and not brown neighborhoods to round them up.

garamps read my blog
Apr 19, 2008 | 9:43 PM

FESK, good points. The Louisiana Purchase was another bargain as well. Seems like the Mexicans did not want to put out the sweat it takes to develope a Desert into productive land. They are making the same mistakes south of the border; waiting for foriegn money to come in and finance them so they can contract the work out to Hondurans. Only problem is, their borders and deportation laws are too strictly enforced for us to sneak over there and show 'em how!

aksjfd..hee, hee. Unless you are kidding me I suppose I can expect a 'Flock of Pigs' to come flying by anytime now. LOL.

phoenixJane read my blog
Apr 19, 2008 | 9:47 PM

"Brown" people means absolutely nothing. Most of the world's population is some shade of brown.

Illegal aliens in this country are starting to get long overdue law enforcement attention. It took too long.

If people insist on a political divide, just be honest. The difference between "us" and "them" is that they came here illegally, broke three laws to work here, and continue to break more laws in order to stay. The difference isn't skin color. But we can talk about the hostility illegals carry with them across the border. Illegals cross our southern border for the purpose of taking advantage of privileges earned by American citizens. Legal aliens do not. In the time it took 30 million illegal aliens to cross the desert, Mexico could have built a huge economy. They have their own leaders to thank for poverty and injustice, ours are in enough trouble. LOL

aksjfd read my blog view my photos
Apr 19, 2008 | 11:22 PM

Garamps,

Oh, pigs are flying. My dream guy has a new twinkle in his eye and all's right in your world.

Having said that, Joe should still go about this the right way. If 'they' shouldn't break the law, the Sherriff needs to be absolutely sure he isn't breaking the law. Racially profiling is wrong, shouldn't be done and is ultimately illegal. If he goes to the sites where these illegals are working and busts the white people who hired them along with the laborers, things would not only appear, but actually be fair. Both should be punished and not just the potential "victim". All his boys need to do is follow just a few of the people who pick them and fine the poop out of them. People will quit looking for their employees on the corners, no one can claim racial profiling and the illegals won't have work to find. THat's the intelligent way to handle this. No one gets sued except the brats that are hiring the illegals. As it stands now, it's only a matter of time before the city is sued and loses millions. Not to mention, racial profiling does have the propensity to make the racial divide that much worse and may endanger cops, etc.

dhw1949 read my blog view my photos
Apr 20, 2008 | 12:27 AM

aks--valid points. If they had already gone after the employers, we would not be going through the fiasco of the "e-verify", which the damn lawyers have already chopped up.

SarahAcevedoIsHot read my blog view my photos
Apr 20, 2008 | 4:34 AM

Shhhh! Don't tell MEChA or Council of La Raza. Their entire manifesto is based on the "stolen land" fable.

FESKJS read my blog view my photos
Apr 20, 2008 | 1:11 PM

Ak:
I don't agree that Joe is racially profiling. He is working areas that are primarily Hispanic, but he makes his traffic stops without racial bias.

He works these areas because yes, he is looking for illegal aliens, these are the most likely places to find them.

But again we do agree, he should be sitting outside Home Depot etc. with undercover units and put the hammer on the people hiring the day laborers.

And I am going to start banging away with phone calls and e-mails to the Sheriffs Office with that suggestion. If I don't receive a satisfactory answer, I will start asking the media why he does not take this approach. And I will let them know that I have tried to contact him without success.

But again we digress into the illegal immigration debate. I was hoping that some one, preferably one that carries one of these signs referred to in my post, could explain to me their accusation and validate it!

FESKJS read my blog view my photos
Apr 20, 2008 | 3:20 PM

Again I spoke before I gave the situation enough thought.

Joe cannot sit outside Home Depot or anywhere else that Hispanic day laborers congregate. That would be racial profiling.

He also cannot pull over someone just because they pick up a day laborer without other probable cause. If he did, he would then abound in law suites.

But it was a good idea. He can how ever, approach groups of people that are loitering. There are many laws that he has at his disposal dealing with that type of situation.

Again, I really don't wish to get into the illegal debate on this post. I would again refer to the last paragraph on the above comment.

NM62 read my blog
Apr 20, 2008 | 5:57 PM

I AGREE ABOUT THE FARM SUBSIDIES, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT CONGRESS DID NOT STOP WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE. AND IT IS TRUE THAT THERE ARE FARMERS PLANTING A LOT OF CORN, SOME OF MY RELATIVES AMONG THEM. THEY STARTED DOING IT TO FEED THEIR OWN LIVESTOCK. BUT THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF CORN PRODUCT IN VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING WE EAT. AND THERE AREA LOT OF FARMERS TAKING ACERAGE OUT OF PRODUCTION BECAUSE THEY CAN GET PAID MORE FOR LETTING IT LAY FALLOW. I THINK THEY ARE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OFDUTY ON THAT.

NM62 read my blog
Apr 20, 2008 | 5:57 PM

I AGREE ABOUT THE FARM SUBSIDIES, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT CONGRESS DID NOT STOP WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE. AND IT IS TRUE THAT THERE ARE FARMERS PLANTING A LOT OF CORN, SOME OF MY RELATIVES AMONG THEM. THEY STARTED DOING IT TO FEED THEIR OWN LIVESTOCK. BUT THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF CORN PRODUCT IN VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING WE EAT. AND THERE AREA LOT OF FARMERS TAKING ACERAGE OUT OF PRODUCTION BECAUSE THEY CAN GET PAID MORE FOR LETTING IT LAY FALLOW. I THINK THEY ARE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OFDUTY ON THAT.

NA2US read my blog
Apr 20, 2008 | 7:19 PM

Do't get me started on the land issue!

NA2US read my blog
Apr 20, 2008 | 7:20 PM

I MEANT DON'T GET ME STARTED!

FESKJS read my blog view my photos
Apr 20, 2008 | 8:20 PM

I would love to get you started, that's the point!!!

NA2US read my blog
Apr 21, 2008 | 10:39 AM

NO you really don't !

FESKJS read my blog view my photos
Apr 21, 2008 | 12:44 PM

Are you going to make a valid point, or are you just going to keep making that mindless statement?

DRF629 read my blog view my photos
Apr 21, 2008 | 1:20 PM

How the Hell can you steal something when it's been paid for? You got me on that one. Ever since the Spanish came to North America they've never paid for anything and their ancestors continue the traditional ways. Why stop now?

NA2US read my blog
Apr 21, 2008 | 1:24 PM

1492 when columbus sailed the ocean blue,and No I am not pro-illegal.
I am one of the indigenous peoples.

FESKJS read my blog view my photos
Apr 21, 2008 | 2:07 PM

Well to start with NA, Columbus was not the first white man here. And his 1492 voyage took him to the Bahamas and Cuba. After which he made three more voyages, those took him to Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands and Jamaica.

The first people here were actually Asians, or at least descendents there of. When they arrived, there were no "indigenous" peoples.

The first White men, per say, where the Vikings. Evidence of their communities has been uncovered in Newfoundland, and evidence of exploration as far down as Minnesota. This took place somewhere around 1000 AD.

My family is also indigenous to this country. As is anyone born here. One only need look up the word to understand the meaning. Of course if I go back far enough, my forefathers came from Ireland and Germany and the rest are Indian. Mississippi Choctaw.

They were very fierce fighters, but learned early on that they were in a losing battle. So they assimilated, learned to live in the White mans world. Now most of them, as their fathers before, are farmers in OK.

NA2US read my blog
Apr 21, 2008 | 3:02 PM

I know columbus wasn't the first,I just used that as an example,I'm not that stupid.
I do not believe that the first persons were asian as that is only a study that does not jive with my ancestors.That is what (they) whoever they are,more then likely an anthropologist,but that is fine it is a free country,however we do not believe it.
And I do not appreciate ASSIMILATION,that to us means forcing to live a life that we did not agree with,hence OUR LANGUAGE&CULTURE were close to being extinct.
I do not know about you ,but we are fighters,and we learned how to take back what was and is rightfully ours.Through the laws that they thought we were too stupid to learn from.We are the first peoples and will always be.
We do not celebrate columbus day,and or thanks for taking day,it is a ridiculous .

FESKJS read my blog view my photos
Apr 21, 2008 | 3:32 PM

To start with, anthropologists have found "hard evidence" of the migration of the Asian people into Alaska and down the Pacific coast, all the way to South America. What do you have???

As for assimilation, true many of my present ancestors do not remember their native language. The culture is being lost and the history is a little fuzzy. But you know what, I really have not had much need for them. My ancestors saw that their way of life was done. You can liken it to driving on the freeway at 25 miles an hour, it's only a matter of time before you get plowed over.

There are literally hundreds of cultures that have become extinct since the dawn of time. And there are just as many more that have had to assimilate to survive.

You may fight all you want, but it's akin to beating a dead horse, trying to make him get up. It's not going to happen.

And as I see it, you have not taken back anything, you were given land (and you don't even own that, it is a government trust) called a reservation. And how many times through history has the government seen fit to redefine the borders on those?

I continue to define you and us at your obvious insistence. We are all here together.

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