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by Charlie_Layno from Greensboro, NC

Last Post 14 days, 13 hours Ago


Every now and again I either get a call from a viewer or friends who ask me if this "digital television" they keep hearing about really works. Well of course it works! I see all the time at work! Of course that isn't what they mean. What they mean is can they watch TV in digital with an antenna from their house like they can with analog TV. There are so much information out there, and some of it isn't correct and even contradicts itself so what is the truth? All I can tell you is what I have personally observed from my own experiences in the last 6 years of having a digital tuner (well many anyway).

In late 2001 and early 2002, the major stations here began to sign on their digital transmitters at varying levels of coverage. No one was at full power except for PBS on Sauratown Mt who has a low power level to start with. Up until then some stations in Raleigh and Charlotte were on the air, but it didn't make much sense to go buy a $1200 digital tuner or a $6000 TV just to see if I could get those stations. So I waited until the local stations came on. By that time the price of tuners had dropped and I could actually watch something.

In those early days of local digital TV, not everyone was on 24 hours a day. WFMY was only on the air from 8:00 PM to 11:30 PM and when they actually broadcast something in HD. WXII signed on at 5:00 PM and signed off at 11:30 PM. Both were operating at half power. WXLV and WUPN (now WMYV) were on the air 24/7 but no HD and both operated at reduced power as well. We did operate 24/7 from the first day, but operated at 4200 watts of power, not the 1 million watts we run today. Even so, with the transmit antenna at 900 ft on our old tower at Randleman, I was able to pick up a viewable picture 99% of the time at my home in north Greensboro and we heard from many others around the area that did also. But there were many who couldn't because they were beyond our limited coverage area.

What that did show me was that this "digital TV' could do pretty well, even at low power. What it doesn't do is work 100% of the time with rabbit ears. Even after we increased power, more people with rabbit ears did pick us up, but in the digital world, rabbit ears should be avoided at all costs. Even a modest antenna placed on a deck or overhang will run circles around rabbit ears. My first antenna was a $50 UHF only antenna with 50 feet of RG-59 cable (not the stuff you want to be using) on a 10 ft pole roped to my back deck with no rotor and I picked up all the local stations, even low power WGHP from that humble little screen antenna. It doesn't take much antenna to pick up digital signals, but you have to at least try.

Now for those who have a noisy analog picture of a station, then yes, you may have trouble picking up the digital station counterpart, not because there is no signal, but there isn't enough signal for the digital receiver to lock to. Digital doesn't go quite as far as analog because of that, but it does work 95% of the coverage area. When we fire up the channel 8 digital transmitter on February 17, we will be looking to see how close the new digital signal will be in coverage to old analog signal.

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FarmTruk read my blog view my photos
Jul 17, 2008 | 5:43 PM

I just hooked up two digital-analog converters in my home.

Both are using my old rabbit ear antennas...one amplified, one not. The picture is great. And I can now watch some stations with crystal clarity, when before I could hardly even make out an image on the screen.

The additional PBS and weather channels are a nice feature as well.

DW45 read my blog view my photos
Jul 18, 2008 | 10:32 AM

Haw big will the boxes be by the 1st of the year?...I have 2 smaller TVs (Kitchen & Shop) -

I have 2 Coupons....

Charlie_Layno read my blog view my photos
Jul 18, 2008 | 10:40 AM

They are fairly small. About the size or a little smaller than a cable box.

DW45 read my blog view my photos
Jul 18, 2008 | 12:57 PM

Thanx for the response, Techno....They'll get smaller as time goes (how long are they projected to be needed? - How long until the Industry clears the Analog stock out completely?) - What's the time frame for total Digital devices on the Market?

Between tools/junk/JIP, space is at a PREMIUM....
Wife likes GADGETS, so the kitchen's the same! :D

Thank You...DW45

Charlie_Layno read my blog view my photos
Jul 18, 2008 | 3:42 PM

Every TV sold that has a tuner must have a digital tuner in it. This has been the law for the last 18 months. I suspect the CECB boxes will be around for a year or two and then they will be unavailable due to TV's already having digital tuners and those needing the CECB boxes will have gotten them.

DW45 read my blog view my photos
Jul 18, 2008 | 4:21 PM

What I needed to know, Sir...Thanx...

Have a good 'un!

FarmTruk read my blog view my photos
Jul 18, 2008 | 6:06 PM

DW45...be SURE to look at the coupons' expiration date. They expire 90 days after they are issued, IIRC.

I know I got mine this spring, and they would have been worthless after July 18th.

DW45 read my blog view my photos
Jul 18, 2008 | 6:37 PM

Thanks....!...Didn't know that !

mcneill4
Jul 19, 2008 | 10:27 AM

We just hooked up a converter box on our little 9 inch kitchen set on rabbit ears and we don't receive a signal from Fox 8. WFMY goes in and out. WXLV-45 comes in really clear. Is it because of our location in relationship to the station anntenna? We are near the airport. Thanks for your blog - I will continue reading!

Charlie_Layno read my blog view my photos
Jul 20, 2008 | 11:54 AM

mcneill4

Rabbit ears are not really the best antenna to use because of it's proximity to noisy devices, like blenders, vacuum cleaners, computers, etc. I completely understand why you would want to use them, but with digital TV you really need something a little better. Our tower is located at Randleman, so from the airport area it is "a few miles down the road" so to speak and since you are having trouble with other stations as well, (they too are in the same area as our tower) I would suggest you look at a different type antenna for your converter box. Also remember, after Feb 17, we will switch the digital from channel 35 where it is now back to channel 8 when we turn the channel 8 analog off.

Charlie_Layno read my blog view my photos
Jul 20, 2008 | 12:03 PM

One other thing to remember, the FCC bases a stations coverage. FM, TV or DTV on what is called the "30 Foot Rule." The FCC assumes that stations are received with wire antennas at 30 feet above the ground. This would be the worst case for reception since wire antennas have no gain or directional components and 30 feet gets the antenna above any close in obstacles. The FCC never bases reception on rabbit ears.

mcneill4
Jul 20, 2008 | 5:45 PM

Charlie,
Thanks for your response! I guess it's like the real estate agents say, "location, location, location". We moved the box upstairs to another (20 year old:) TV on rabbit ears. The signal is much, much better up there. So, now we're trying to figure out what to do about the kitchen TV. We don't use it much really but it sure is nice for the morning and evening news and weather. (Neill McNeill! Van Denton!:-)

Can we get another set top antenna that might pick up the digital signal better than the rabbit ears? We have also read about antenna boosters and wonder if that might do the trick for our existing rabbit ears?

And, (last question, I promise!) if we bought a new TV with digital tuner for the kitchen, could we expect it to pick up the signal any better?

A little info for anyone who might be reading and trying to snag a converter box...we had to stalk several WalMarts to score our Magnavox one. It seems as soon as they come in, they sell out. We are pleased with the Magnavox - it was very easy to set up. After the coupon, it's about $10.

Charlie_Layno read my blog view my photos
Jul 20, 2008 | 6:33 PM

What many people are doing is putting up an antenna in their attic and running a cable to the TV's that need them and that is quite an improvement over the rabbit ears. If you go this route, be sure the antenna will cover channel 8 as well since we will be moving back to channel 8 on Feb 17 and keep the splitters to a minimum. A 2 way splitter cuts the signal in half (and a 4 way cuts in by 3/4) so use an amplified splitter. Radio Shack makes one I use myself since I have 3 tuners/TV's connected to my outside antenna. Winegard (and AntennaCraft if I remember correctly) makes a channel 7-52 antenna that is smaller than the big VHF/UHF antennas of old that covered 2-69. They are bringing them out for people like you and since 95% of the markets will not have channel 2-6 stations anymore, why keep building them?

The tuners in the CECB's are the same tuners that are in the TV's so the reception should be the same.

mcneill4
Jul 27, 2008 | 10:49 AM

Thanks again for the help. I got a Philips 32dB amplification set top antenna this week at Target, moved the converter box back to the kitchen TV and all the channels are looking great!

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Charlie_Layno

I am one of the behind the scene people here at FOX8. I work in the Engineering department and speak quite a bit of technobabble. I run the TV transmitters that allows everyone to see all of the programs and news on FOX8. I like to say, if you see a good picture and hear good sound, I am not working very hard, but if you see or hear static, I am working very hard!

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