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By Mickey Kaus

Mickey's Single Issue Voter's Guide: Suppose you were a single issue voter, and your single issue was immigration. Specifically, you were opposed to legislation that combines some form of amnesty (legalization of existing illegal immigrants) with tougher border enforcement. If so, you would probably be pretty depressed right now–three of the four leading presidential candidates explicitly favor such "comprehensive" reform. The fourth, Mitt Romney is the least likely to win. And even he's suspected of being a closet comprehensivist.

But you still have to vote. Before you did, you'd want to ask: Which of the three pro-legalization candidates is least likely to accomplish their legislative goal? When you think about it this way, a clear and somewhat surprising ranking of top three emerges.

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1) Hillary Clinton would probably be the best president for anti-comprehensivists. She's cautious. She's been burned by GOP opposition before (to her 1994 health plan). Is she really going attempt both health care reform and immigration reform in her first two years? Remember, Rahm Emmanuel's swing-state Democratic congressmen typically ran tough-on-illegals campaigns. They're squeamish about voting for "amnesty." If Hillary is president (meaning John McCain isn't president) the Republicans are likely to unite against a Democratic legalization plan. Meanwhile, Hillary's political adviser James Carville is on record suggesting that legalization, like welfare, is a potential election-loser. Hillary suppporter Paul Krugman seems one of those remaining economists who actually believe in supply and demand–i.e., that an increase in the supply of immigrant labor can drive down unskilled wages. And Hillary herself has made anti-illegals noises in the past, including reversing her endorsement of Gov. Spitzer's drivers license plan.

2) Barack Obama, on the other hand, may actually believe his standard-left immigration positons. He's shown an ability to bridge the partisan divide and get things done. All deeply troubling, in this case.. But at least he too would have a hard time getting both a health care plan and immigration legislation through Congress against opposition from Republicans (McCain having lost).

3) President McCain would seem like a replay of George W. Bush. Bush couldn't get his "comprehensive" immigration plan through, even with a Democratic Congress. What would be different with McCain? Quite a bit. a) McCain's likely to be more popular, at least if Iraq continues to improve; b) The Democrats are likely to have bigger Congressional majorities; c) McCain might be able to claim voter validation of his long-standing pro-legalization views. Certainly the Republicans wouldn't be united against a McCain "comprehensive" bill. Unlike Clinton and Obama, McCain doesn't have ambitious New Dealish health legislation that would compete for his and Congress' time and energy.

True, it would still be difficult to pass a McCainish immigration plan–you can imagine the Democrats splitting just like Republicans when faced with something that might actually become law. McCain would have campaigned on his pledge to secure the borders–his current plan for a quickie assurance by "border state" governors might be too transparent a ploy (especially if the press was reporting a continuing flow of illegals). Nevertheless,,McCain seems clearly the worst of the three possibilities, from an anti-comprehensivist perspective.

I'm not saying voters should be single-issue voters. I'm not saying I'm going to vote for Hillary. I'm just saying …

P.S.: OK,, I'm not just just saying. If I thought either Clinton or Obama would do a much better job on health care, that would be one thing. But both seem well-positioned to actually pass some big, broad health plan. An immigration plan, on the other hand, seems much iffier. It could pass or fail depending on who's president. And, unlike a health care plan, an immigration legalization bill is likely to have large, irreversible consequences. Misconceived health plans can be altered or repealed (remember "catastrophic insurance"?). But if a misconceived immigration amnesty attracts millions of new illegal entrants who then have to be given citizenship–on top of the new citizens created by the amnesty itself–it won't just lower unskilled wages etc. It will profoundly alter the very electorate that will have to consider any future change of course.

In this context, single-issue voting could be a highly responsible course.

Vote Hillary. She won't get it done!



 

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ChaosCrew read my blog view my photos
Feb 4, 2008 | 7:06 PM

I agree with Mickey, we should vote for Hillary over McCain to make sure McCain loses in November and send the Neocons down to their final ruin.

The Republicans hate her and it will be much easier to organize resistance against Amnesty if she decides to push it.

If we’re lucky, we might even force her to build a fence and enforce laws for a few years.

The question then becomes, who do we run against her in 2012 who will close down the borders

This_Aint_Your_Land read my blog view my photos
Feb 5, 2008 | 4:09 PM

Here's the way it stacks up on immigration...

Obama - Absolute hands down worst (most liberal member of the Senate, bar none)

McCain - Second worst (absolute open borders advocate and amnesty for illegals co-author).

Hillary - A shreaking witch and a panderer to hispanics, but better than the other two, not great just better.

Romney - Has clearly spoken out against illegal immigration. The only conservative of the bunch. He stands out from a pack of losers.

If you care about border security and shutting down the North American Union, Romney is the only hope.

scooch read my blog view my photos
Feb 5, 2008 | 4:14 PM

Crap I actually spoke out of turn and mentioned that I liked some of what McCain has said. Now he is more like a Bush mini me! The Vote is tonight and still just as uncertain. If I feel that way how many others are tired of too much information and are just going to stay home?

blcoffman read my blog
Feb 5, 2008 | 5:42 PM

Hey ChaosCrew hope all is going well with you and family too. I am a bit concerned who to vote for even still, I do have these choices, Yeah this is a very hard time to feel you have done the very best for all citizens no matter where we put our mark, but buddy, I sure hope your right!!Because this is where I am going today !! scooch I know you! Nahh We can't stay home my friend!! Thanks Brenda

scooch read my blog view my photos
Feb 5, 2008 | 6:37 PM

Brenda this is an outing huh? This Land tell me so where does Romney stand on Healthcare since Socialized Medicine did not work for the Canadians? Please do not say look it up.

This_Aint_Your_Land read my blog view my photos
Feb 5, 2008 | 10:01 PM

If you are registered as an independent you're not allowed to vote for Romney, but you MUST still vote for Hillary, just to knock Obama out of it. She is horrible, but the best of the Axis of Evil.

The only thing McCain is good on is his terrorism stance, but what good is that when Al Qaeda is flooding over our southern border non-stop?

scooch read my blog view my photos
Feb 5, 2008 | 10:42 PM

Well I want someone who can follow through with a decent plan on Illegal Immigration. For example the Illegal who ran my son down on his bike with his Illegal truck, Illegal License which the list could go on but I won't. I hope someone has the guts to follow through with what they promise to get elected to begin with.
I was told at dinner tonight that Hilary has said a priority of hers is to eliminate the Marines? Has anyone heard that yet?

mystere read my blog view my photos
Feb 6, 2008 | 9:54 AM

Everyone: Read Kathleen Willey's book! You have until November now to decide and choose. But remember that time flies quickly!

Ellafrella read my blog view my photos
Feb 6, 2008 | 7:07 PM

GUYS, THE ELECTION IS IN NOVEMBER! DON'T PANIC!
IF THE SLEEPING GIANT WILL WAKE UP, MAYBE WE CAN TURN THIS TITANIC AROUND.

mystere read my blog view my photos
Feb 7, 2008 | 3:41 AM

The show isn't over until Howard Dean Screams!

mystere read my blog view my photos
Feb 7, 2008 | 3:41 AM

The show isn't over until Howard Dean Screams!

Imagineflowers read my blog view my photos
Apr 3, 2008 | 8:28 PM

It looks like most people are so self absorbed that they don't give a (...) unless...

They are affected in some way.

mystere read my blog view my photos
Apr 4, 2008 | 2:37 PM

Recently, I've heard some stuff that might explain why we're stuck with open borders: there are allegedly some laws which prevent certain things from being allowed to be done at the borders...there are restrictions on the use of the military, and some restrictions that allow fences to be built on the border...just some things which may need to be verified. If these are true, I would hope that there's some other way to secure the borders. As for Hillary, wait until she loses Pennsylvania, and drops out! Then "Johnny Mac" can give "Borat Insane Osama Bin Laden" and "Jerry Wrongbrotha" a big "Caining" in November. Let Hillary dare come back in 2012, and get another "Caining"!

This_Aint_Your_Land read my blog view my photos
May 19, 2008 | 12:08 PM

Go here to find out where your candidate ranks on immigration...

Candidate Ratings On Immigration

Hotmamajama read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 5:24 PM

Lets vote for...

????????

Hotmamajama read my blog view my photos
Jun 28, 2008 | 1:35 AM

The Three Losers

Hotmamajama read my blog view my photos
Aug 31, 2008 | 12:01 AM

OK, I'll vote for McCain & Sarah...


Hey CC we need you back! You had some brilliant ideas.

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